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rvsensei



Joined: 16 Jan 2006
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Location: Los Angeles,CA

PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got married 3 and a half years ago to my japanese wife. BEfore I asked her to marry me, I told her if she was willing to live in the U.S.? She said yes, she would follow me wherever. I told her I was not willing to live in Japan the rest of my life, I wanted to go back someday. We moved back to the states in 2003 as my dad was dying with cancer and my mom passed last year. I am open to moving back to Japan as long as I work at an international school, I don't think I want to teach EFL anymore.

We have a kid now and at times I wonder if we get in a major fight, she can just go back to Japan anytime. You have to think about children, lifestyle, your partner's family,etc when deciding to marry. Luckily my wife can work here in the states, she is bilingual and has a B.A from an American university.
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Sherri



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Other important considerations are about where in your home country you move to and how "Japanese-friendly" it is.

Think about:

is there a Japanese community in the area you are moving to? That is, will everyone stare at your spouse because he or she is different (or your kids)?

how easily can you buy Japanese food?

can you get Japanese TV on cable?

Having these 3 things makes life so much easier for us.

Best
Sherri
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taikibansei



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sherri wrote:
Other important considerations are about where in your home country you move to and how "Japanese-friendly" it is.

Think about:

is there a Japanese community in the area you are moving to? That is, will everyone stare at your spouse because he or she is different (or your kids)?

how easily can you buy Japanese food?

can you get Japanese TV on cable?

Having these 3 things makes life so much easier for us.

Best
Sherri


Sherri's comments are spot on...and underline the difficulties you'll be facing upon your return. In particular, first finding--then being able to afford to live in--such a place is very difficult. From bitter experience, you will have a very difficult time living in the central and southern areas of the United States. For the reasons Sherri suggests, you'll have a much easier time in, say, New York City, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco, Portland, Los Angeles, anywhere on Hawai'i, etc. However, unless you are independently wealthy, good luck trying to live, let alone raise a family, in those areas. To give you an idea, house prices in California have tripled since the early 90s, with the a median-priced home in California now over $488,600 (according to the California Association of Realtors--see link below). The minimum annual income needed to buy that home is $113,920--sadly, your starting salary (if you are very lucky) will be around $55,000.

http://www.inman.com/inmaninf/rmls/story.aspx?ID=46054
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abufletcher



Joined: 14 Sep 2005
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Location: Shikoku Japan (for now)

PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sherri wrote:
can you get Japanese TV on cable?


Certainly, having Spanish-language TV was vital to my wife's sanity while living down here in Shikoku. Very Happy And thank god for the "Brazilian trucks" that brought South American products once a week.

But it's a very keen observation that not everywhere "back home" is the same. Personally, this Southern Cal native would rather be living in Japan than Michigan if that was where "back home" was going to have to be.

And NO I can't afford a house in Southern Cal. Crying or Very sad
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow Sherri, when I read your list and reversed it, now I know why living in Japan is so difficult because I have to answer No for all of them.
Happily we are getting satellite in 2 weeks time, a sort of celebration.
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Sherri



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, Gordon, I can't believe you have lasted this long without satellite. I had skyperfect while in Japan (and direct TV before that), it was pretty easy to buy western food in Tokyo so those two "requirements" were satisfied. I think for me, it was the first one that I couldn't deal with, (even in Tokyo) I got tired of the stares and being an object of interest everywhere I went.

Regards
Sherri
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abufletcher



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was the starring that got my daughter down as well and she was happy for the physical anonymity of Southern Cal.

We ended up getting cable after about 4 years because I started to think that the kids needed to be surrounded by more English. Of course I ordered all the "educational" channels plus news plus a couple of movie channels. But after a while I just got so sick of all the program promos which seem to occupy at least 20 minutes out of every hours of programming. Plus we ended up watching the same exact show like a million times. And most of the stuff on the Discovery "science" channel was just the worse sort of pop-culture rehash ("quasi-science for idiots").

Since my wife is Mexican and can make corn and flour tortillas from scratch I was set in terms of getting my fix of Mexican food. Provided of course I was willing to physically manhandle 20+ kilos of corn masa back from the US on each annual trip! Very Happy
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a small price to pay for authentic Mexican.
Yes, skyperfect it soon will be, 66 channels for 3500yen. It would have been a huge distraction from my masters, but soon that will not need to be a problem.
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Sherri



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The masters---I am getting close to finishing. My deadline (for the dissertation) is the end of March. I usually work at night--like now--when the kids are in bed, then I allow myself some sweet TV time as a reward. I did the same in Japan, taping my fav show and watching after I did my writing. Best get to work now.
Sherri
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johanne



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with the words of advice about where exactly in the states you live. We lived in Vancouver and no one ever gave us a second glance. However when we went to Florida to visit my grandmother each year it was a different story. There he had a hard time ordering in restaurants as people didn't seem to understand him (this was very frustrating for him as he speaks relatively clearly and never had this problem in Vancouver or Seattle, which we visited frequently for basebasll games). Also the hotel clerk questioned him about whether he was really staying there when he tried to us the beach access. I had to come down and confirm that he was. We never would have lasted 2 weeks there, much less the 7 years we spent in Vancouver. Now in Yokohama, I feel I've found a part of Japan I can be very comfortable in. No one seems to notice me or my daughter, who looks quite Japanese with dark hair and eyes, but who is obviously "half". We just go about our business much as we did in Canada - so far no real problems. I'm even the one with the name on our apartment rental contract as I have the better paying job. Sherri, what kind of problems did you have in Tokyo? I would have thought you would have blended in as just another foreigner among thousands, but I guess that wasn't the case.
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guest of Japan



Joined: 28 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had sky perfect when I lived in a really rural area, but I gave it up due to frustration at never getting to watch the American football games I wanted to watch within two weeks of their game time, Simpsons overdose, kotatsu overdose, and exorbitant cost. If anyone wants the dish, it's sitting in a box st the bottom of the stairs. Come get it.
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Sherri



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johanne wrote:
Sherri, what kind of problems did you have in Tokyo? I would have thought you would have blended in as just another foreigner among thousands, but I guess that wasn't the case.


Hi Johanne
You may not know, but I lived in Tokyo for 14 years, that is a long time and after a while all the little things start to build up. It was fine while I was working, but when I quit and had 2 children, my situation really changed. I was out and about in the community more and had more contact with my neighbours (and this was a 20 min walk from Ikebukero station). I started to really dislike always being the "gaijin" where-ever I went with my small children. Most attention was well-meant but it was attention that a Japanese mom would not get. We were always stared at, entering the bank, the post office, the supermarket, the hospital. I knew it was getting to me and that is why I left, before it drove me crazy. I think it nearly did. Now it is such a massive relief to truly blend in.

Actually no matter how many foreigners there are in Tokyo--probably 1,000s, I don't think they will ever really blend in (or at least not beyond a superficial level)--at least not as things stand now.

Best
Sherri
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mrjohndub



Joined: 19 Sep 2005
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Location: Saitama, Japan

PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what has been intimated on this forum in the past few months regarding marriage to Japanese women, I can say with certainty that I will never go that route. It makes me not even want to date them. On one hand, thanks for the heads up. On the other hand, thanks for the head's up.
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