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TESOLman
Joined: 25 Apr 2004 Posts: 34 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:27 pm Post subject: Thanks |
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| Thanks to everyone who provided feedback on schools in Zhuhai. I'll likely go there for a few months as a tourist and shop around before making a decision. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:36 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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| Thanks to everyone who provided feedback on schools in Zhuhai. I'll likely go there for a few months as a tourist and shop around before making a decision. |
Wise move!
Vikdk, for years now I have been pointing out that there are advantages and disadvantages to the choice of finding work in or out of country. I believe that I have outlined all of these as I see them in my earlier posts.
In one of your earlier posts you indicated a strong preference for coming here on an F or an L visa and finding work while you are here. This is a very valid way of doing things but it raises a question that I have asked you a few times but you have failed to answer. Here it is again:
If you arrive on an F or an L visa, find work, and then change over to a Z visa in country, there will be a processing period of around a month or more. What do you suggest that teachers do after they have found work but prior to the completion of the processing of their Z visas? |
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vikdk
Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 1676
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| If you arrive on an F or an L visa, find work, and then change over to a Z visa in country, there will be a processing period of around a month or more. What do you suggest that teachers do after they have found work but prior to the completion of the processing of their Z visas? |
what a strange question - I presume the people coming over are adults - do you want me to give them a full tourist itinenry - or list of 101 things to do in China??? Read the OP's last post clarkie
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| Thanks to everyone who provided feedback on schools in Zhuhai. I'll likely go there for a few months as a tourist and shop around before making a decision. |
looks like he's a smart lad, dont it
Hey C a question for you - I presume in the glorious decade you have been "in-country" you have swapped jobs - what did you do during that time your paper work wasn't quite in order??? Did you go back home - or have you some great C tips for burning time in land of ol' hundred names??? |
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Gregor

Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 842 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:33 am Post subject: |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| what a strange question - I presume the people coming over are adults - do you want me to give them a full tourist itinenry - or list of 101 things to do in China??? Read the OP's last post clarkie |
There is nothing strange about the question at all and it is very relevant to the advice that you have given on this very forum.
Of course there is no need to answer the question now as your evasiveness basically indicates that you are aware that most teachers who followed your advice would end up working illegally for the first month or two while their Z visa and other paperwork were being processed.
I am not passing judgement on these people nor am I discounting this option for people who choose it. I am however pointing out the contradictory nature of your posts on this forum. You go on and on about how terrible schools are for not abiding by the laws, but then your advice leads teachers toward working illegally. I think that you need to choose which side of the fence you want to be on! |
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vikdk
Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 1676
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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fences clarkie - are there FT factions - are we supposed to take sides - what sides???? Clarkie I'm all for taking the approriate action in the approriate situation - If a big chain company tries to dress itself up in the facade of rightenous and legality, but infact in their small print talk of law breaking, then I find it highly approriate to blow my trumpet and draw this to everyones attention - If I feel that potential FT's could profit from finding their job from within China then I also find it approriate to advertise that fact - it's nothing to do with choosing what side of an imaginary fence to stand on - it's called being felxible and practical when weighing up possible advice I can give to my fellow FT's. But then again I could follow the Clarkie line - keep steady boys don't budge an inch, fire when you see the whites of their eyes  |
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Gregor

Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 842 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: |
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pc-pocket
Joined: 05 Nov 2005 Posts: 218
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| That is it! I am suing! |
Who? Me?  |
nope, but Louras for writing:
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What about me? I'm trying my best here. I do believe some credit would be in order. |
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Plan B

Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 266 Location: Shenzhen
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:14 am Post subject: Re: Thanks |
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| TESOLman wrote: |
| Thanks to everyone who provided feedback on schools in Zhuhai. I'll likely go there for a few months as a tourist and shop around before making a decision. |
Be sure to get in contact with the various Zhuhai long-termers on arrival. We can no doubt point you in the right direction(s).
In Zhuhai - as in China as a whole - there are rules, and there are RULES. Strictly speaking, you are not allowed to rent a place directly in China without having a residence permit, which these days is stamped in your passport. However, this is not very strictly enforced. Most teachers arrive here on an F visa and get it transferred on finding employment.
I have discovered recently that visa processing for work only takes about a week. You need to do a health check, register with the police, and then a week later, you can take all your documents to the PSB, and they give you your visa the same day.
If you are American, I am not sure of the F visa arrangement...........
Otherwise, if you come through Macau, you can get a 3, 6, or 12 month visa on the spot. Hong Kong should be similar, but you will probably have to wait a day. |
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englishgibson
Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:20 am Post subject: Calling on all ice hockey lovers! NHL�s new OT rule? |
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Gregor, you give such a nice smile around!
How's the EF treating you, really? The Head Office's got all their ears for ya, and employers listening and listening as long as they can understand the language?.?.?.
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Someone wrote here:
Gregor how attractive can you make EF sound on the internet - what is the reality actually like when you get there |
Gregor can that above be truth?
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Someone wrote here about Clark W Griswald:
the C man ............., ... you best do it from all those miles back home safely sat down behind of your internet.
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Someone asked Clark W Griswald:
Hey C a question for you - I presume in the glorious decade you have been "in-country" you have swapped jobs - what did you do during that time your paper work wasn't quite in order??? Did you go back home - or have you some great C tips for burning time in land of ol' hundred names??? |
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Clark answered or didn't answer:
Of course there is no need to answer the question now as your evasiveness basically indicates ....
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Ohh Clark that sounds like you�ve done so much and have had your paper work straight and up � Well, there is no need to answer other forum users questions, is there? Especially those personal ones!
However, you do want others to answer your questions thoroughly, don't you?
Clark W Griswald is a great advertiser of schools he has little idea about, but hell what does that matter as long as his buxiban carries �something� on.
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Tesolman wrote with Clark's answer:
Thanks to everyone who provided feedback on schools in Zhuhai. I'll likely go there for a few months as a tourist and shop around before making a decision.
Wise move!
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Yeah, man! Thanx for � Hmm? I feel sorry, �cause it�s tough to choose the right school in China.
Clark, you�re like a �. You know the oldest profession?
By the way Gregor, the EF in Zuhai is a hell of a sh*t hole. Teachers come and go as fast as its Hong Kong owner changes underwears.
Cheers and beers
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Roger
Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Posts: 9138
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:22 am Post subject: |
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I suggest a newbie on a tourist or 'F' visa in search of a paying position make sure he or she has at least one month on their visa before it expires - from the day they get hired.
You might need one week for the medical report (in some places the HIV test takes 3 days in the lab), and you never know whether the person in charge of the scanner is at all available on the day you want her to be there; then there are weekends, and some officials clock off work pretty early (my marriage took place IN SPITE OF the registrar who actually wanted to go to a party on that Friday afternoon, 2 p.m.!
Then the PSB take their own time in handling your application. You might find out that one month was...tight!
A VISA EXTENSION is feasible - provided you stay at an approved hotel (that shuffles all registration slips over to the PSB) If it doesn't then you are not officially registered and an extension is out of question! |
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Gregor

Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 842 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: |
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I didn't even know that EF had a school in Zuhai. Why are you telling ME about it? It's not MY school. We're not all affiliated or anything you know. It's a franchise, and a Chinese one at that.
One has nothing to do with the other. Thanks for the info, though, I guess.
Yeah, the school I'm at's been treating me great, thanks for asking. We all get paid on time, I already got my flight compensation back (no secret I'm going back to the U.S. pretty soon - think I found a job too, but that's for a different thread), and everything's cool. No one's been cheated, and no one's tried to cheat anyone, for the entire length of my tenure here. As long as you ask. Everything's hunky dunky.
I feel pretty sure that you, englishgibson, or YOU, vikdk ( ) will have some snide, mindless and uneducated/uninformed remark to make about that, but it's not going to change the fact.
Everything's just getting better. As long as you ask, and thanks for asking. |
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englishgibson
Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: ESL schools in Zhuhai |
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Well Gregor, the "uneducated remark" of mine as a followup is that you have been with EF for more than three years, in a Director of Studies position, participated in EF seminars/meetings of Chinese EF chain schools and still write
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| I didn't even know that EF had a school in Zuhai. |
EF Directors of Studies use EF intranet, EF meetings, EF email system to communicate and clearly the communications go so wrongly that you probably know only your EF center, and little about EF franchise in China, but that's just my "uneducated remark", isn't it?
I've just mention EF Zhuhai for the thread's heading, for your strides in recruiting for EF centers (DOS site you've been involved in) and adressed you there as BY THE WAY (to inform you since you've worked for EF in China even though not for that one), but my appologies for making you feel responsible for EF Zhuhai hole.
Cheers and beers (to Gregory as well) |
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vikdk
Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 1676
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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no goodbye kiss smiley to use - so you just have to get another  |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Calling on all ice hockey lovers! NHL�s new OT rule? |
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Someone asked Clark W Griswald:
Hey C a question for you - I presume in the glorious decade you have been "in-country" you have swapped jobs - what did you do during that time your paper work wasn't quite in order??? Did you go back home - or have you some great C tips for burning time in land of ol' hundred names??? |
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Clark answered or didn't answer:
Of course there is no need to answer the question now as your evasiveness basically indicates ....
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Well, there is no need to answer other forum users questions, is there? Especially those personal ones!
However, you do want others to answer your questions thoroughly, don't you? |
It is a shame that you don't actually read posts before you comment about them Englishgibson.
The comment that you have misquoted above pertained to my suggestion that the other person who had failed to answer my question despite my asking it three times needn't bother answering as it had already become apparent why he wasn't answering the question.
I find it interesting that you overlook the fact that this person failed to answer a very straightforward question on three occasions but instead make a comment about me not answering the same question turned around for me.
Are you really THAT desperate in your efforts to try to discredit me?
As far as answering the question, well I don't see any reason to answer a question from somebody who fails to answer questions asked of him. I mean really what's the point. He is clearly just trying to avoid answering a question by asking another one. Surely even you can see through this rather transparent effort.
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| Clark W Griswald is a great advertiser of schools he has little idea about, but hell what does that matter as long as his buxiban carries �something� on. |
Comments like this one show just how little you really know about me. I suggest that if you want to appear as informed person on this forum that you restrict your comments to something that you actually have knowledge of. Feel free however to post your reasons for your earlier comment and show why I am somehow incorrect! |
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