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[wannaBguru]

if u are already posting and have detailed info available, why not just post it here? why should we have to write to u? and why would u want to answer the same question over and over?????????? i am not saying if u or papua are right because i have never heard anything about your school. just wondering why all the drama for some info?

[gugelhupf]

Basically he has tried to milk a free advert out of this forum and has screwed up badly. The rest of us pay Dave for placing job adverts on this site - clearly the folks at this EF are now too cheap to do this.

Now he has dug a big hole for himself because all the little niggles people have had over the years tend to surface when you start blowing your own trumpet, his retiscence in telling the truth is making his school look very dodgy indeed, and he is no doubt c.rapping himself that his masters will get to hear about what a complete mess he has made of his little public relations exercise. An object lesson in how not to be a DoS.

If we need staff, we pay to advertise. If anyone posts a request for info on this site I reply - honestly. The only thing you'll never get out of me is what salary individual teachers are on because that is confidential. Everything else is public knowledge - and yes our teachers all have a/c in their bedrooms and hot water in the bathrooms and no they can't take holidays whenever they like because we are a regular school but yes, yes, yes they get more holidays by far than EF teachers in S Sulawesi.

Nuff said.

[TEAM_PAPUA]

[Zorobabel]

I might try to work at an EF school come mid-2007. That's when I'm graduating and getting my certification, and by that time I'll have no formal classroom teaching experience. I have a pretty nice resume (published writer, editor, fluent in Indonesian, two years of part-time private English tutoring, etc.), just no formal experience and fresh out of school. The pay, which I believe is about Rp8.000.000 in Jakarta without the housing stipend, is workable considering I've lived in Jakarta on less than Rp4.000.000 a month. It doesn't seem too bad, but it depends on whether or not any other school would hire me.

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[Chester]

Last time a DOS from EF tried this reverse marketing tactic I questioned it ( see a few months ago) and the thread was locked then disappeared and i was smacked on the bum for doing so.


moderation indeed.

[papillon]

Same thing happened to some 'Indoteach' posts a while back who were naming and shaming EF franchises across Indonesia. They have completely vanished from Daves.

And now you as well Chester. I sense a conspiracy at hand here. Dave, what gives?

Are EF pulling your strings Mr Dave?

[guruengerish]

Reading all the above comments with interest.

I lived in Makassar for two years, (not teaching) and there's no way I would like to try and survive with no air conditioning at night. It's all very well trying to live and eat like a local, but there are limits.

What a pity that EF Indonesia have no standard living requirements for teachers. It's not only EF Makassar who supply teacher accomodation minus air cons.

Take a page out of EF China's standards, and follow these: western toilet, air conditioning/heating, hot water, computer, DVD player, TV, phone and a bit of furniture.

I have been in EF houses in Indonesia with NONE of the above, apart from a single bed, which came with one sheet.

[gugelhupf]

I have seen this EF China list and it looked very sensible and reasonable to me. If EF Indo would enforce some minimum standards instead of just taking franchise payments I suspect we would all have some nicer things to say about the organisation.

When the erstwhile owner of EF Medan and Pekanbaru (now both under new management) ran off owing loads of money EF were quick to try and recover their own losses but offered absolutely no support to the teachers who were left behind - even colluding with said former owner to prevent teachers from jumping ship to work in other EF's at the time.

[guruengerish]

Yes, it must be quite a nice little clique, EF Indon and the handful of owners/directors.

It amazes me that there is not some sort of cover for teachers - after all, those school directors are mostly business men, and while looking after employees does not always come top of the list there, there should be some cover.

In regards to standards, it would appear that there is also no standard cover for hospital insurance, and it has happened when a few teachers have all ended up in the same public hospital ward. That problem was fixed by the school concerned, but who knows if it's a national or a private matter.

The British Institute has an international cover, the insurers are in the UK, and it also allows for evacuation if a teacher is really sick.

EF have a way to go yet. Now it's advertising that they will not insure teachers over 60.

[TEAM_PAPUA]

[Zorobabel]

So is the housing provided by EF just like a hostel? That is, a shared bathroom, little privacy, etc.

[uilleannpiper]

[TEAM_PAPUA]

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