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ability to convert 70% of earnings to home currency
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dialogger



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been discussed before and one of the key points is that '70%' refers to 70% of a standard salary ie around 4000pm.
If you get 8000pm then you may only get to exchange 35% of that higher figure.
An exchange tout lurking around a major BOC office will give you a rate for RMB.
Once you have the US do the transfer by Western Union - no trace of remittance there (Agriculture Bank is Western agent but service variable at smaller suburban banks).
Also make sure the US bills aren't forgeries.
As only one branch of BOC does exchange - at least in provincial centres you must of necessity go to the same branch.
My recent experience is that they copied my contract documentation.
The teller seemed to have a good pile of other copied contracts on her files.
On other occasions I have not needed my contract - just the FE (red) book.
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HunanForeignGuy



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: ability to convert 70% of earnings to home currency Reply with quote

adventuramust wrote:
I thought I read somewhere, not sure if it was an individual contract or some general employment regulations that you could opt to have 70% of your earnings converted to your home currency each month.

Does anyone know about this? Or where I may have seen it?


This is ALL information based upon currently non-exstant regulations.

The RMB for all intents and purposes has become rather freely convertible.

I live in a small city in Hunan, a city that some might call a backwater.

There are two ways to change RMB to USD.

One is to go to the main Bank of China Branch, outside of which are money changers, who actually offer a better rate than the official rate. They walk you into the Bank and you hand them the RMB in front of the Bank Clerk and the Bank Clerk hands you the USD. As easy as American Express.

The next thing is to go directly to the Bank itself, as I have, and they change the RMB, up to a certain maxmum each time (20,000 RMB) I think.

The third step, albeit unknown to most of the laowei, is that the Bank of China is now enabled to sell American Express Travellers Cheques in USD. You hand them the RMB, you pay the commission, they issue the cheques.

Next, all main branches of the Bank of China are online with their corresponding Western banks for VISA / Mastercard and now offer online banking transactions.

The changes in the law in the last several years have been stunning, to say the least, and few old-timers in China are aware of them.

My experience securing travellers cheques and converting RMB was actually more transparent than at my own Citibank Park Avenue New York Branch. So let's get with the program...times are changing here.
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Joe C.



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: ability to convert 70% of earnings to home currency Reply with quote

HunanForeignGuy wrote:
The RMB for all intents and purposes has become rather freely convertible.

There are two ways to change RMB to USD.

One is to go to the main Bank of China Branch, outside of which are money changers, who actually offer a better rate than the official rate. They walk you into the Bank and you hand them the RMB in front of the Bank Clerk and the Bank Clerk hands you the USD. As easy as American Express.

The next thing is to go directly to the Bank itself, as I have, and they change the RMB, up to a certain maxmum each time (20,000 RMB) I think.

The third step, albeit unknown to most of the laowei, is that the Bank of China is now enabled to sell American Express Travellers Cheques in USD. You hand them the RMB, you pay the commission, they issue the cheques.


What you mention does not happen in Guangzhou. Yes, you can change a percentage of your salary into foreign currency if your contract permits this and if your work unit is a government university. However, in no way, shape or form can just any person waltz into a Bank of China branch, plop down RMB and walk away with AmEx Travelers Checks in foreign currency or any other type of foreign currency equivalent.

They do, however, allow you to use your Chinese foreign currency credit card outside of China and then pay the resulting foreign currency bill at the end of the month in RMB.
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Super Mario



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I posted previously, in Shanghai my up-front salary was 8,000. I converted that amount legally whenever I chose to. The tax receipts are critical here.
It has been and is being done. People quoting 70% or whatever are ignoring the realpolitik of China.
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HunanForeignGuy



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, sorry, Joe C., it does happen here.

And failing that, there are always the money changers right outside the bank.

Last week I accompanied a new teacher for this purpose. We walked into the Bank, and right inside the Bank, we were greeted by the money changers. This teacher then did that transaction.

Three weeks prior to that, I accompanied a male teacher from New Zealand into the same Branch and he transacted this over the counter. Are you aware that for an overseas trip the authorities now allow a certain amount of RMB to be converted into hard currency?

I will be in Guangzhou this week. I will go to the Bank of China Head Office in GuangZhou to verify what you have said. I will attempt to change money as I have said and I will report back to you.

Here anyway, it happens.
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Joe C.



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HunanForeignGuy wrote:
I will be in Guangzhou this week. I will go to the Bank of China Head Office in GuangZhou to verify what you have said. I will attempt to change money as I have said and I will report back to you.


Let's make this a bit more sporting, shall we? I also live in Guangzhou. We can go together to Bank of China and carefully document what does or does not happen regarding exchanging RMB for foreign currency. The loser coughs up, say, $100 US.

Can you afford to lose that much?

I do agree with the money changer options, but in GZ you will not find them so conspicuously and conveniently posted next to banks. You need to dig around a bit to find them -- and even then.
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tirelesstravelerasia



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the obvious answer from the variety of posts here is -- there is no standard answer. It seems to depend on a variety of factors from where you live to where you work to what your contract says.

When I managed a university program in Nanjing, teachers there, making 8-10k yuan per month, were allowed to legally exchange 70% of their income at the Bank of China. They had to have a copy of their contract (in Chinese), passport, foreign experts booklet, and tax certificate. They could make this transaction once a month, and the clerk wrote the amount and date into the experts booklet.

You're probably going to have to ask your particular employer for what's legal there.

On the plus side, you can now legally take 20,000 rmb out of China, 4 times what the limit used to be. And Hong Kong usually has the best rates available.
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chinaboytian



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One time I had excess RMB and got a lousy exchange rate for it in Hong Kong. It would have been better had I arranged to change the money into US $ with one of the students, who could find a black market friend.

But never try this directly yourself on the street. They will cheat you.
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jammish



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All this may well be moot soon anyway. The RMB is soon to be made a fully convertable currency, meaning these interminable threads will be null and void...
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Joe C.



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jammish wrote:
All this may well be moot soon anyway. The RMB is soon to be made a fully convertable currency, meaning these interminable threads will be null and void...


Please define the term "soon".
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jeffinflorida



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe C. wrote:


Please define the term "soon".



In China the term soon means sometime in the next 100 years...

5000 years of history can't be wrong...
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