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Roger
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| vikdk wrote: |
Try a few less words Clark and let the real FT's talk - or maybe you want to tell us about your experiences  |
...(***)....!!!......???
Mr Vikdk,
are you oxymoronically saying Clark is NOT a REAL FT???? |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| no ofcourse not Roger - Clark must have a vast FT experience - I would just like to hear more of his past, his qualifications, his thougts on education - because I'm sure they would help his fans, like me, to get more of a personal Clark angle on his posts. You know Roger, like knowing about you being a Swiss agricultural technician helps us get a little closer to where you're coming from |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| Clark must have a vast FT experience - I would just like to hear more of his past, his qualifications, his thougts on education - because I'm sure they would help his fans, like me, to get more of a personal Clark angle on his posts. |
As expected when vikdk finds himself unable to actually argue the points raised he turns to his predictable efforts in attempting to discredit the person making the posts. And as usual his efforts are way off the mark.
Vikdk, this thread is about recruiters. It is not about teaching experience, qualifications, nor thoughts on education. You have already tried on more than one occasion to derail threads in this manner. If you want to discuss things not related to a thread then start a thread elsewhere discussing those issues. If you have something to add about recruiters then please do so. |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Ofcourse Clark you are right - I will rephrase my question -
Clark many posters have told us of their experiences with recruiters - can you tell us how you have built up your vast knowledge of recruiters. Do you use them when finding a job? Have you ever used them? This is the kind of frontline info that validates your advice and opinions - you know being one of the boys stuff
Alas I have never used a recruiter - I use the Sinobear leg method, aided by a Chinese friend and a telephone.Ofcourse only good for finding a job when in China - and then again who needs Chinese friends when you have a recuiter |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: |
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| vikdk wrote: |
| Clark many posters have told us of their experiences with recruiters - can you tell us how you have built up your vast knowledge of recruiters. Do you use them when finding a job? Have you ever used them? This is the kind of frontline info that validates your advice and opinions - you know being one of the boys stuff |
Well then, by your own logic my opinions on this subject must be valid and yours not - which begs the question as to why you even participate in a thread that you yourself suggest you have no valid opinion of 
Unlike yourself I do answer direct questions asked of me, and in answer to your questions, yes I have used recruiters before and my experiences were varied which enables me to recognize that each recruiter is different and that each should be considered on its own merits. |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| Unlike yourself I do answer direct questions asked of me |
So you won't mind answering mine more fully - can you tell us about them bad recruiters - and here you can give one of your 5,000 word specials |
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icebear
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| why dont you answer mine more fully - can you tell us about them bad recruiters |
Perhaps he was trying to keep the post on topic, so that some sap doesn't wander through this "Trusted Recruiters" thread only to find some post with you berating people for just the opposite. Seriously, go enjoy China instead of nit picking so much on this damn forum. Some of us are trying to make make some use of it besides a general time burner. |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:20 am Post subject: |
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no nitpicking here icebear, much more serious - If you read The C posts you will see that there seems to be an agenda that goes against FT interests in favour of schools and recruiters- If you match this up with his own Site buxiban, which advertises for schools and recruiters then you will understand that finding out if C's opinions are based on personal or business motives makes a lot of difference to understanding their content  |
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Roger
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: |
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| vikdk wrote: |
| You know Roger, like knowing about you being a Swiss agricultural technician helps us get a little closer to where you're coming from |
I sincerely advise you not to rely on second- or third-hand misinformation and opinionated grapevine stories, my young friend - you might hurt yourself posting things you don't have any proof or intelligence to substantiate it. |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| roger -hurt= |
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Roger
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| no nitpicking here icebear, much more serious - If you read The C posts you will see that there seems to be an agenda that goes against FT interests in favour of schools and recruiters- : |
You are, as so many times before, misconstruing statements made by people who are trying to steer a middle-of-the-road course away from slanders and defamations so rampant when this forum gets occupied by the vociferous minority that only knows of wrongs committed against them.
There are two extremes in the TEFL world of China: unscrupulous employers on one side, and equally unscrupulous TEFLers on the other side.
The former are a fixture we have to deal with in its own cultural context; the latter have often no scruples working in an unregulated market where they can earn their loot according to their own whims. Clearly, the latter benefit from the fact that the former are tolerated by the legislator in the host nation of the latter.
But the middle ground is not to be neglected either: there are ever more training centres and public schools that respect both their employees and the laws and regulations of their own country.
Some of these have branches, and you can easily see that there is no uniformity in how these branches operate. When one branch operates in the gray zone then some posters try to depict the whole network as rotten; we have been treated to an unceasing flood of biased and negative antipropaganda from certain posters. That's neither in the interst of us TEFLers nor of the clients of China's employers.
It is obvious that for some posters in this thread the bad-mouthing of our employers is legitimate under any circumstance while offending FTs by even only a hint of unfairness towareds them is an unpardonable crime.
While FTs should be allowed - so vikdk - to engage in gainful activities on their own terms - according to our friend vikdk, - with no regard for their suitability for this market and no quality control or background vetting by authorities, he absolutely favours no fairness for employers. Quo vadis, ratio? |
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vikdk
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It's good to see that you are starting to admit more openly that there are many pitfalls to working in China, and that not all problems are due to FT intransigence - Well done on your's and C's middle of the road stance - my posts are not in vain
on topic - still looking forward to C's experiences with bad recruiters |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| It's good to see that you are starting to admit more openly that there are many pitfalls to working in China, and that not all problems are due to FT intransigence - Well done on your's and C's middle of the road stance - my posts are not in vain |
Actually I believe that Roger has always called a spade a spade. I don't think that you can take credit for that.
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| on topic - still looking forward to C's experiences with bad recruiters |
How is that on topic? The topic of this thread is trusted recruiters in China. There are already plenty of threads about bad recruiters so feel free to raise questions pertinent to those threads in those threads. For someone who comlains so much about the motives and bias of others I find the fact that you have only raised a question about bad recruiter experiences when I have clearly outlined that I have had good and bad experiences, to be indicative of your bias in this area. |
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vikdk
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| why you so shy about your past Clark? Id love to know about these good/bad experiences - would really help me if i ever had to look for a recruiter - how can we learn from you if you don't share your front-line experience |
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Roger
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| Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| vikdk wrote: |
| why you so shy about your past Clark? Id love to know about these good/bad experiences - would really help me if i ever had to look for a recruiter - how can we learn from you if you don't share your front-line experience |
This may really surprise, maybe even upset you, vikdk, but I am positive you will understand that happy employees are not likely to brag about their jobs while unhappy ones will always go public in order to garner some commiseration from fellow foreigners.
I think not a day goes by without someone telling that their boss is a slave-driver, and while this often is true we might all get misled into believing that such fates awayt every single FT wanting to work in China.
I assure you, vikdk, that's far from being a realistic imagination! |
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