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khmerhit
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I recallsomeone from tne British council or equivalen in cambodia who said the country needed a thousand english teachers, but they only had a few hundred, if that. There are ve good native english teachers who taught themselves when it was illegal to speak english, via radio and booklearnin. Quite extraordinary people, they put one to shame. Anwy, cambo needs teachers-- go to Cambodia----try it and see.!!!  |
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bendan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:28 am Post subject: Re: How many people are TEFLers, world-wide? |
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This is just a ball park estimate here: apparently the US Embassy in Beijing has about 65,000 Americans registered as living in China. I would guess that the majority are teaching English (though I freely admit that guess might well be wrong). Let's say 50,000 Americans for a nice round number.
China is probably the biggest single market right now for TEFL, but there's plenty of work in other places. How much of the TEFL market is in China? Half? A third?
So I'm guessing that something like 150,000 Americans are TEFLing overseas. When you lump in Brits, Australians, Canadians, Kiwis, and others, I'd guess that something like half a million to one million native speakers are working in TEFL.
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I'd say that's a wild overestimate. Of the 65,000 Americans in China (if your figure is true) the majority would probably be Chinese Americans working or doing business here. I doubt there are more than 30,000 foreigners (of all nationalities) teaching English full-time in China. It wouldn't surprise me if Korea had more than China - Internet job boards suggest that to be the case. I seem to remember reading that Korea had 20,000 legally teaching, with half of them Canadian. |
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Moore
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| Seriously not-very-educated guesses from the back of an envelope: most capitals have about one hundred tefl schools, with another hundred dotted around the provinces. Each school will employ an average of 20 native workers, so 4000 per country. 50 countries needing/affording tefl: 200,000 total. |
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dmb
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There are currently 28,449 registered users here on Dave's So which forum do the other 171551 teachers use? |
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moot point
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| Maybe those with PhD's who would obviously look to the "Linguist List", or so many other newbies who've beem absorbed into the local life to not look elsewhere...perhaps? |
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william wallace
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| Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:50 am Post subject: How ?.... |
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MELEE
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| That's where my low figure came from. Mexico City is one of the largest on earth, but I can't see there being more than 500-1000 native-speaker TEFLers here. But, Mexico is not China or Japan. |
And neither is Mexico City, Mexico the country Guy. The state of Oaxaca currently employs 60 native English speaking teachers in its regional universities. I expect that another 100 or so work in Oaxaca City. |
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Stephen Jones
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When I was in Spain I reckoned there were two native EFL teachers per ten thousand of population. That would make at least 8,000 in the country as a whole.
I would think a figure of between a quarter and a half million world-wide at any one time would be accurate. The total number of those that have worked abroad as EFL teachers would obviously be much higher. |
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merlin
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We can look at official figures but those will always ignore the masses of teachers that just don't bother to register with any organization. The only reason the embassy knows where I am is because I had to renew my passport and they slipped me a form to fill out that gave my contact details.
So if an embassy says there are x number of teachrs in china, multiply that by an unknown number to get the real total number. Kind of like figuring out how many legitimate users are registered on this forum or the number of inhabitable planets in the universe.
I'd say it's a lot more than most people think. |
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denise
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| Stephen Jones wrote: |
| I would think a figure of between a quarter and a half million world-wide at any one time would be accurate. The total number of those that have worked abroad as EFL teachers would obviously be much higher. |
"At any one time" is an important distinction, given the turnover rate in this field!
We could look at the number of TEFL training schools in the world, assign an average of 20 students to each class, multiply, then subtract the number of people who get their TEFL but don't last two months in the classroom, then add the number of teachers who enter the profession without a TEFL certificate... Damn, I am talking out of my a$$ now. Never mind...
I'd like to think it's a small number, though. Makes it seem much more romantic.
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Justin Trullinger
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| It wouldn't surprise me if Korea had more than China - Internet job boards suggest that to be the case. |
Maybe the internet just works better and is more accesible in Korea?
The problem with using anything internet based to come up with an estimate is that access and internet quality vary so greatly-
Here in Ecuador, I know of 7 midsized academies with an average of around 20 TEFL teachers each, plus some smaller ones and private schools that have a few, totaling around 150-180 teflers here in Quito- according to my very approximate figuring.
How many waste time online, here or elsewhere...only me, on a regular basis at least.
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Deconstructor
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| Listen, who gives a shiite about how many TEFLers there are in the world. The real question is: how many sober, mentally balanced, non-running-away from the law, employable-back-home TEFLers are there in the world? And the answer is........... |
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dmb
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| Decon. can you define mentally balanced? *hic* |
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Deconstructor
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| dmb wrote: |
| Decon. can you define mentally balanced? *hic* |
I'm a TEFLer. How do I know?! |
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guangho
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| I have visions of being mentally balanced. |
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