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Henry_Cowell · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley

I know of somebody with a two-year college diploma (A.A. from the U.S.) who does exactly the same kind of work I do overseas and is paid even more.

I reiterate: The job I have had in China does not require a Ph.D. in anything. It isn't rocket science! But it did require experience.

gengrant · Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:16 am Post subject:

well, I had found one listed that was giving up to $2000 USD per month at Korea International School (KIS) in Bao'an area of Shenzhen...this is just over 16,000 rmb per month...that's the closest I could find to 20,000 rmb per month for anything outside of true International teaching...

but there are some pretty nasty reviews of KIS on the web...and I did interview there and can verify that it isn't a great place...way out in the middle of nowhere!

but now I can't seem to find the job listings that I originally saw...hmmm...

Malsol · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou

saint57 · Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:25 am Post subject:

vikdk · Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 1676

Jobs with that kind of money are pretty thin on the ground - but if your talking money to be made then you have to focus on the freelancing brigade - the experienced laugh at anything under a 100/contact hour, and 200 is, if you are a specialist in nitche education (pre-school, business, private tuition etc. etc) are not that hard to come by for those with a proven track record - If you wanted to put 20 hours in a week then the holy grail of 20k is there for the taking - but remember that we are talking about either folk that are rule renergades or those who are married and live here on a "legal" basis that is not governed by emloyment through a work visa. By the way last year met a super good Chinese teacher doing privates with middle school kids - 10k a month - and some local teachers do their own freelancing which they can get decent money for if they build a up a good reputation and attract large classes.
I think the problems with oversupply of FT may not effect the freelancer so much, since the client usually looks for a specific product where they have as little contact with FT as possible apart from the teaching side - they know that experience in China is a paramount quality and that the new to this game have to be nursed and helped along in so many ways (not just in the classroom) before they can be totaly effective. But this means the freelancer if not having a convetional job and contract fends for herself in all departments - such as housing, transport, medical insurance etc etc - aspects which not only cost money but also time and effort.

saint57 · Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 3:45 am Post subject:

boxcarwilly · Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 85

My salary is 20,000 RMB per month. I pay my own rent and taxes out of that. I deduct the full cost of my housing before figuring my taxable income. I put 15,000 plus in my pocket after tax and housing every month. I could put even more away but I like to live well. I have the proper receipts for the taxes paid. I am a business specialist with the initials and experience. I am teaching 18 hours this semester and the rest of the 40 hour work week is planning and research. Research is my term for surfing the net as I like to read. Momma always said, "Try to find a job where you get paid for doing what you like". I teach Monday through Friday at a private international college. As a straight EFL teacher I couldn't imagine getting my kind of salary but when a school needs someone with my background, they have to pay well for it. I think the economists refer to this in part as supply and demand.
There is no sense in giving anybody a "link" to the school unless you possess the qualifications but I have given the contact information for the source to teachers who I know have a good chance of being hired. A great joy in life is helping others be successful. I would hope that folks would be reporting honestly on this board because after all we all just jellybeans, but different flavors.

vikdk · Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 1676

let them come by the plane load - if the inexperienced non qualified non specialist bog standard FT's are thinking of making a quick cash in they'll be dissapointed, there is no demand for them in the high paying end of this market - they'll soon be flying off again to some other destination.

Malsol · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou

bendan · Joined: 18 Jun 2004 Posts: 739 Location: North China

boxcarwilly · Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Posts: 85

I teach 18 hours a week. I am required to be in the office from 8:30am to 5:30pm Monday through Friday. The other 22 hours a week I spend planning and on the Web. I can easily spend 20 hours a week on the Web. I teach subjects like economics, finance, accounting, law and ESL. I have my CELTA and a BSBA with a major in Finance. My previous business employers are very well known companies. I have been in the international teaching biz for 6 years. I really don't have any reason to not tell the truth; how could I possibly be enriched? I could see your argument if I was talking directly with someone and wanted to be more than I am, but on a somewhat anonymous message board, where's the benefit? By the way, I consider most teaching salaries in China to be very low but I am really not in a position to help as I am not an owner.

KarenB · Joined: 20 Sep 2005 Posts: 227 Location: Hainan

I met two guys on the train one time who said they were pulling in that much. However, they were law school graduates, who were teaching English and Law at a law school in Sichuan province (either Chengdu or Chongqing). They told me the name of the school, but I don't remember it now.

saint57 · Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:23 am Post subject:

KarenB, that's the oldest line in the book.

Henry_Cowell · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley

vikdk · Joined: 25 Jun 2003 Posts: 1676

henry dont be toonasty to the kindy brigade - 200/hour here no sweat (and not too much toil) - at least if you know what your doing Laughing