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Racism: Let's nut this out...
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abufletcher



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well...let's just keep stabbing at it until we get the answer that Cameron thinks is right. Cause that's what's really important.
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MrCAPiTUL



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, there is really only one race, which is the Human Race.

Some how or another, people have allowed the government to categorize them and alter their identities and their perceptions of identity.

To answer the question, though, I guess my definition of racism is: one who is against races. I'll leave races up for your own interpretation based on your own cultural experiences.
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Yawarakaijin



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly off topic, but in regards to those crazies in the black trucks. It turns out that my new apartment is quite close to what appears to be a storage area for all their vehicles.

My Japanese friends just tell me its the "Yakuza" building but I have a feeling its more than that. Now it just so happens that the easiest way home is to walk right past this building. Are these guys just blowing hot air or should I really take the long way home? Very Happy
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shikushiku-boy



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:24 am    Post subject: race Reply with quote

I�ve a few things to say about racism. And, frankly, I
couldn�t give a bugger whether the OP thinks they�re
�flowery� or not.

It is interesting that some of the regular posters, who so
quick to scream �RACIST!� at anybody who�s criticism
of Japan they disagree with, are absent from this thread.

The Japanese are not a race. �Japanese� is a nationality
and/or an ethnicity. Therefore, criticism of the Japanese
cannot be described as racism.

For most of the white, anglo-celtic teachers, living in Japan
is the first time in their lives they�ve had the opportunity to
complain: �I�m a victim of racism.�. And don�t some of
them complain long and loud.

Research by geneticists has shown there is very little evidence
for a biological determination of �race�. So, the DNA of
white anglo-celtic person A and Japanese person B might
be more similar, that the DNA of Japanese person B and
Japanese person C.

Often, when people argue about �race�, they are really
agruing about socio-cultural differences.
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abufletcher



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrCAPiTUL wrote:
Some how or another, people have allowed the government to categorize them and alter their identities and their perceptions of identity.


I don't think we can blame this on the government. Most everyone the world over unquestioningly accepts that "races" are real. There may be a lot of people who feel that "race doesn't matter" but these same people would claim you're in denial if you claim that there are no such things as biologically determinable races of human beings. The fact of race just appears so undeniable in our societies.

The analogy I like to use with my students is what if "race" categories were based on height instead of (primarily) skin color? There might, for example, be the "shorts" and "talls" and maybe another group of "mids." There are clearly people who are easily categorized as "tall" "average" or "short" but the numbers of individuals "on the boundaries" might be as numerous as the people who are prototypical of a group. Likewise we have no problem visualizing a prototypical "white", "black", or "yellow" person, the prototype may not be numerically the most common.

Another nice point to make here is the ways that different cultures divide up the color spectrum. All human eyes have the same capacity to see color but different cultures make different culture-specific determinations of where one color ends and the next begins.
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abufletcher



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: race Reply with quote

shikushiku-boy wrote:
Research by geneticists has shown there is very little evidence for a biological determination of �race�. So, the DNA of white anglo-celtic person A and Japanese person B might be more similar, that the DNA of Japanese person B and Japanese person C.

Often, when people argue about �race�, they are really
agruing about socio-cultural differences.


Exactly. Unfortunately, the question of "who's a race" is not so simply resolved. For example, most people in the world don't immediately think of Latino as a "race" but rather as an "ethnic group." However, Latinos themselves most definitely consider themselves a race. In fact, in Mexico what Americans celebrate as "Christopher Columbus Day" is celebrated as "Dia de la Raza" (Day of the Race). Many Mexicans (and other Latinos) trace back the origins of their race to the legendary "mixing" between Cortez and his mistress/translator Malinche. Curiously, skin color seems to be largely incidental to the Latino sense of "la raza."


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abufletcher



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I hate to get really "flowery" here but post-moderist approaches to "identity" treat identity as a dynamic, interactionally-negotiated acheivement rather than as a fixed entity. So while I may be "white" "American" "male" "a brother" "a son" "a father" "an EFL teacher" "a resident of Japan" "a nonnative speakers of Japanese" "a Leica camera owner" (among many other identities), I am not all of these things simultaneously but rather the salient identity (or identities) flicker in and out of existence within the locally negotiated interaction. One moment I may be "doing being" an American and the next I'm doing being an English teacher.

So as hard as it may be to accept, a "black" person may not always relevantly be black any more than a teacher is always (in all possible contexts) relevantly a teacher. Race it seems has to be negotiated/talked into existence.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double post.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Treble post!
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angrysoba



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:21 am    Post subject: Re: race Reply with quote

shikushiku-boy wrote:

Research by geneticists has shown there is very little evidence
for a biological determination of �race�. So, the DNA of
white anglo-celtic person A and Japanese person B might
be more similar, that the DNA of Japanese person B and
Japanese person C.

Often, when people argue about �race�, they are really
agruing about socio-cultural differences.



Whatever geneticists have shown about the DNA of particular races, most of what people refer to as racism is based on what people SEE. In many cases the absence or abundance of melanin in a person is enough for some other people to behave in a 'racist' manner towards them...what a geneticist says doesn't matter to them. In such cases the socio-cultural differences are irrelevant.

That is not to say that some people don't act on a supposition of racial difference. Plenty of Japanese live side by side with zainichi nihonjin without ever knowing that person's Korean heritage.

As for the burakumin, it is a particularly tragic case that whereas this caste were not in anyway racially different to other Japanese they were ostracised from society. One of my students, who was a geneticist, explained to me that their isolation often led to a lot of inbreeding and then to mutations in their DNA. Following that there is, in fact, a higher level of anaemia among burakumin in what became a horrible self-fulfilling prophecy.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zzonkmiles wrote:
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I define racism as the belief that race matters.


Exactly, short and to the point Cool . Just like in the below, being Japanese matters (or at least the appearance of being).

Quote:
It is interesting that some of the regular posters, who so
quick to scream “RACIST!” at anybody who’s criticism
of Japan they disagree with, are absent from this thread.


Discrimination would be a better word, as there are many types, and often the forms of discrimination have less to do with race than simply acting a certain way towards non-Japanese (if a person is Chinese or Korean, often he/she may look the same, it would only be mannerisms or a lack of Japanese skills that would give him/her away). It seems to me this is more related to xenophobia (is that is better, well... Wink )

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Well, there is really only one race, which is the Human Race.


Yes, I have tried to point out in another forum that being treated as a human being (versus a foreigner) is not something exceptional, yet the other posters think it's 'an unusual expectation' in Japan.
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abufletcher



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:50 pm    Post subject: Re: race Reply with quote

angrysoba wrote:
One of my students, who was a geneticist, explained to me that their isolation often led to a lot of inbreeding and then to mutations in their DNA. Following that there is, in fact, a higher level of anaemia among burakumin in what became a horrible self-fulfilling prophecy.


I take it that this student was NOT buraku or he would not have chosen this "racist" ("pejorative") way of wording this. Inbreeding (itself already a loaded term) does not cause "mutations" to DNA. It may result in natural selection processes that reduce the availble genes within the gene pool (which of course doesn't mean that Buraku have "fewer genes") but that's it. Still, I'm sure that more than a few Japanese think of Buraku as "mutated" Japanese.

We've had a major problem with buraku-racism at our university and when we scheduled a "minorities week" conference to directly discuss the buraku issuse -- and invited buraku activitists -- several people (including a couple faculty wives) suggested to my wife that she should "stay inside" to avoid the possibility of a crime spee presummably occassioned by the visiting buraku. These were not bigoted zealots. They were perfectly normal people (and friends) who nevertheless couldn't escape their prejudices. Most Japanese, if asked by a foreigner, will simply pretend to have never heard the word "Buraku" and to not have any idea what you're talking about. They may even act as if they didn't even hear you speaking.

But Angrysoba is of course right that "race" is a visual phenomenon in most cases. But we can also understand this as a case of culturally conditioned "selective vision" where people only choose to notice the phenotypes of a small collection of genes (6 out of about 60,000 in the case of skin color) deemed to be "racially relevant" rather than other equally visible surface features.

BTW, through my brown-skinned wife's eyes I have experienced a fair amount of racism second-hand while living in the Middle East.
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shikushiku-boy



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I agree with what soba says. People don't give a flying thingy about what
the boffins in lab-coats say. They do pay attention to stuff like skin colour,
facial features and hair texture.

From a post-modern perspective, 'racial' identity is often not so much negotiated
into existence, as imposed by the dominant socio-cultural norm. This is when
so much racial stereotyping is done.

I�m not sure how much identity can be an �interactionally-negotiated acheivement�.
I might try it next time I�m at airport immigration control (�But, I�m Japanese, I tell you!�).
We must accept that, to some extent, our identity is imposed upon us. My passport says
I�m Australian...and no amount of �locally negotiated interaction� is going to make it
say anything different. Of course, my identity is more than what my passport says.

Sometimes, these is such a huge gulf between how we see ourselves, and how others
see us. This really matters when the other person has the power to seriously screw
with our lives (e.g. police officers, bosses, ex-girlfriends).
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shikushiku-boy wrote:
I�m Australian...and no amount of �locally negotiated interaction� is going to make it say anything different. Of course, my identity is more than what my passport says.


The point is not to deny that you ARE Australian, but rather that THAT identify (or any other of the things you factually ARE) is not automatically and universally relevant. Obviously when you go though immigration nationality is a relevant (salient) identity (as opposed to say "husband" or "son"). But I'll wager that the moment you pass through immigration (and maybe also customs) you are no longer RELEVANTLY Australian but rather something else (for the moment).

By the way, when I line up at immigration, I'd say that my relevant identity is "foreign resident" which allows me to stand in the line for Japanese passport holders. I don't think they actually care what specific nationality I am.

And yes identitiies can be "imposed" -- after all this is a negotiation and in negotiations sometimes one party succeeds in imposing its will on the other parties. In the case of racism, one party can succeed in imposing a racial category where that category might not otherwise be normatively invokeable. For example, in a shop where the normatively relevant and oriented to identities/roles are shop attendent/customer formulations in terms of black or white or asian or latino or Japanese or gaijin might be reasonably consider as racism/prejudice.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Racism is caused by pride.
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