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cwc
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 372
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject: read |
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| Excellent point. This all started with me informing. The boy was so afraid to accept his error that he freaked out and complained to the Mods. Poor soul can�t deal with being wrong. |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting stuff. Here's something that came up before, though awhile ago.
How do you all feel, in Mexico, to hear people use words like 'guero', 'la negra', 'los palidos', or 'la chinita'? One of my Korean students gets called 'la chinita' all the time and hates it. Not sure sure how she would feel if called 'la coreanita' though. |
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ls650

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: read |
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| cwc wrote: |
| Excellent point. This all started with me informing. The boy was so afraid to accept his error that he freaked out and complained to the Mods. Poor soul can�t deal with being wrong. |
If I thought you were genuinely offended I'd be happy to remove my remark and to apologize. However, I don't believe that to be the case.
I complained to the mods because you've sent me three PMs and a private email on this one issue. That isn't informing, it is stalking. Please stop harrassing me. Personally I'm rather amazed that the mods let you continue this kind of behavior. |
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cwc
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 372
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:25 am Post subject: WHAT??????????? |
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| I fail to see your point. Please refrain from accusing me without proof. If you have proof, post it. |
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cwc
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 372
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:37 am Post subject: Re: read |
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| ls650 wrote: |
If I thought you were genuinely offended I'd be happy to remove my remark and to apologize. However, I don't believe that to be the case.
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Man, you seem unable to understand that it doesn�t have anything with the way YOU feel. It is the LISTENER. If I say �jew down�, I am not offended in the least. However, the listener IS. What is so hard to understand? Be a man and accept your error. I know it hurts that cwc had to correct you. Have you read all the other posts saying that it is a small thing to change your vocab? You should set the example, and not continue to use out-of-date offenses. |
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M@tt
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 473 Location: here and there
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:13 am Post subject: |
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wow, we could do another whole thread on slurs in mexico. but, that would be boring.
i'm surprised spaz has such strong connotations in the UK, mostly because i've never in my life heard anything about the word being related to epileptic seizures. i have always heard it used to mean someone who is hyperactive or over-reacting to something. i've been in classes for years with students and even teacher with epilepsy, and this never came up. the next time i talk to someone with epilepsy i'm going to ask them how they feel about it.
and for the record, i thought the comments bby people in the article were also stupid and insensitive. can you really compare his comment to the blatantly racist remarks about the food he would be serving? |
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grahamcito
Joined: 11 Sep 2004 Posts: 90 Location: Guadalajara
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| M@tt wrote: |
| i'm surprised spaz has such strong connotations in the UK, mostly because i've never in my life heard anything about the word being related to epileptic seizures. |
spaz is short for spastic, meaning susceptible to uncontrollable muscle spasms. Growing up in the UK, it was common in the school playground when insulting someone as an idiot or a clutz (eek! language paranoia! is clutz ok?), but became taboo in the late 80s/early 90s. It's interesting to see the connection isn't commonly known in North America.
Anyways, to get my five pesos' worth in, now that the parallel thread on words and their ability to offend has now been deleted:
I don't think English teachers should be in the business of censorship. I think we should be in the business of understanding language and explaining it to others.
My philosophy is that if you know a word can be offensive to the people who would hear it, don't use it if you don't want to offend; do use it if you do want to offend. But never try to proscribe a word out of existence. |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Cdaniels
Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 663 Location: Dunwich, Massachusetts
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: more words from psychiatric terms. |
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*Cretin is the oldest and probably comes from an old French word for Christian. The implication was that even people with significant intellectual or developmental disabilities were "still human" (or "still Christian") and deserved to be treated with basic human dignity. This term has not been used in any serious or scientific endeavor since the middle of the 20th century and is now always considered a term of abuse.
* Idiot indicated the greatest degree of mental deficiency, where the mental age is two years or less, and the person cannot guard himself or herself against common physical dangers. The term was gradually replaced by the term profound mental disability.
* Imbecile indicated a mental disability less extreme than idiocy and not necessarily inherited. It is now usually subdivided into two categories, known as severe mental retardation and moderate mental retardation.
* Moron was defined by the American Association for the Study of the Feeble-Minded in 1910, following work by Henry H. Goddard, as the term for an adult with a mental age between eight and twelve; mild mental retardation is now the term for this condition. Alternative definitions of these terms based on IQ were also used.
"Retarded" is now following this pattern, as it becomes less used as a technical, specialist term it will probably gain acceptance as a generic insult. I'm afraid artificial attempts to instill sensitivity in the general public are doomed. "Crazy," I think is also too entrenched in the lexicon to ever go away.
I happen to be born "illegitimately." If I let myself get offended every time the term 'b-astard' was used as an insult, I might be unable to socialize at all!
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cwc
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 372
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:49 am Post subject: CLASS ACT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Tiger Woods has apologised for comments he made during a television interview after the U.S. Masters at Augusta National Golf Club on Sunday.
"Tiger meant nothing derogatory to any person or persons and apologises for any offence caused," Woods's agent Mark Steinberg said in a statement issued on the player's official website.
The cool thing is that even though he didn�t mean to offend, he apologized. Class!!!!!!! Once again, it is not the SPEAKER, it�s the LISTENER. |
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cwc
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 372
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:03 am Post subject: Good point |
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| grahamcito wrote: |
I don't think English teachers should be in the business of censorship. I think we should be in the business of understanding language and explaining it to others. |
I feel exactly the same. That�s what I did, explain. The OP was unable to accept the explanation. My meager explanation opened a series of debates. Debate is good. Holding on to your ignorance is bad. If one says a word that is offensive, it must be understood that it could offend somebody. Even though the speaker didn�t mean to offend, it is not up to him/her to decide if there was an offense. What does it hurt to say I�m sorry and go on? TAN TAN!!!!!!!! |
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absolutaaron
Joined: 21 Jan 2006 Posts: 8 Location: D.F.
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 6:15 am Post subject: Joto? |
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CWC � I agree with your position to a certain degree (if I understand it correctly) I think word ownership by any group is a dangerous thing � I don�t think that anyone should feel entitled to exclusive use of a word. I also appreciate the power of a word and its ability to injure or put someone down. All this considered � I�m conflicted with the hyper-PC mentality of our culture. Which brings me to my question � you CWC used a phrase in an earlier post �JOTO EME ESE� � I�m not entirely sure what you meant by that phrase � but I do know what Joto means-- and I certainly find it equivalent to �f -a -g� � which is offensive. Now � I appreciate your stand that the responsibility falls on the listener � but how often are you prone to throw out the �n-word� (ownership prevents usage) in front of a black person or the f-a-g word in front of a gay person until that person is offended and tells you to stop. I don�t think that this argument would be applicable to the obscure or uncommon word � but when a word has a dominant social sting to it --- why use it?
This is a tough topic � I certainly don�t mind examining and complicating my hypocritical use of language.
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M@tt
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 473 Location: here and there
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Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| i'm just enjoying cwc's preaching about tact. |
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Cdaniels
Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 663 Location: Dunwich, Massachusetts
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:06 am Post subject: Re: read |
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| ls650 wrote: |
| If I thought you were genuinely offended I'd be happy to remove my remark and to apologize. However, I don't believe that to be the case |
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| Man, you seem unable to understand that it doesn�t have anything with the way YOU feel. It is the LISTENER. |
Actually Aaron makes a point that's relevant to this case.
If cwc is not a descendant or in some other way a legitimate representative of "gypsies," the nature of the complaint is changed.
Do you claim to be a descendent of the Roma people, cwc? |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Ahem... Check out the name of his school. Could there be a connection to this weird thread? |
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