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lollercauster · Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 418 Location: Inside-Out NYC

Pretty sure the attack was:

"Surely you jest?

Hey mate, if you are too lazy or stupid to correct your own papers, what makes you think anyone here is going to do it for you?"

You guys need to lighten up. Whether or not they're wrong for posting the essay is another story, if you have a problem with it, say so and just don't say anything further if you really think it's a big deal. If not, why are you here?

I think the essay is a whole lot of BS. But it's hard to tell if it's just a lack of English skills or just an incoherent flow of ideas.

Midlothian Mapleheart · Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 623 Location: Elsewhere

Edited to remove offensive content.

Middy

jester · Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 111

Thank you. That was wat I was trying to get by posting this. I was going to give it 70. Your info has helped me a lot. Pity there aren't more people like you out here. My post was a simple request and I had to fight off all the dogs to get a simple answer. Makes you wonder what the purpose of this forum is.
Shalom

DistantRelative · Joined: 19 Oct 2004 Posts: 367 Location: Shaanxi/Xian

As I stated before Jester you reap what you sow so stop your friggin whin'in. It should serve as a lesson for you. Only time will tell.

Henry_Cowell · Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 3352 Location: Berkeley

lollercauster · Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 418 Location: Inside-Out NYC

Xenophobic

"A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples."

Fits fine I'd say. He's new, he's foreign. How about you just stop trying to pick apart his words and make him look inferior.

Malsol · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1976 Location: Lanzhou

lollercauster · Joined: 18 Mar 2006 Posts: 418 Location: Inside-Out NYC

I'll pass.

gengrant · Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:15 am Post subject:

Jester...

I had a hard time reading this person's essay. It started out being an outline and went seriously downhill from there.

There needs to be some serious rewrites to this to make it readable.

I'm not sure I would give this a passing mark without a rewrite...seriously.

and the scary thing for me is that I used to think that most (read: all) Chinese could read and write English very well...they just needed help with spoken english. This "essay" really made me change the way I think.

thanks for helping me see the error of my ways.

jester · Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 111

You can all just lick my sack. Your inferiority leads to offence. Keep living in your secure small worlds.
Shalom

latefordinner · Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 973

Leaving the personal clashes out of it for a moment, I think Gengrant has it right. It needs a serious rewrite before it can pass. Middy, I've been dealing with some pretty weird Chinglish for a few years now too, and I couldn't make much sense of it. No doubt your deciphering skills are better than mine, but a 70 for something that a professional with a degree in philosophy and 4 years experience in China can't read? Certainly a lot of work has gone into it (9 pages of this? How did you get through it, jester?), but that doesn't make it a pass.
The second question is, if you believe that this student is working (not just cut and pasting), and you want to reward the effort, how do we get this paper from a failing grade to a hard-earned pass? (And in the process help our student learn a little of the English grammar that clearly hasn't been taught yet)
Depending on what your course objectives are, jester, your student might well earn a pass with about one ninth as much writing if he can simply sit still long enough to rewrite that first page. Assuming of course that the objective is to write a solitary page of coherent English. But there we have the first question. What are the objectives, of the assgnment in particular and of the course in general? If you haven't taught the student, but have simply been given this stuff to grade in order to make life easier for another instructor (probably too busy to grade his own papers, or possibly too afraid to give an honest grade to his own students), then I'd say don't be afraid to fail.

Voldermort · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 597

Didn't anybody notice how similar the essay is to that of the output from one of those online translators?

I wouldn't say this is Chinglish at all, I would hazzard a guess that the writer has used a Chinese essay (either their own or from the internet) and used something like bablefish translator.

jester · Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 111

Thanx to all people who responded to my request! I have told this student to rewrite this paper. I don't want to be too hard on them but I also have to live with my conscience. Again, thanks.

latefordinner · Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 973

Noted, Voldermort, which is why I was uncertain how much was original and how much cut-and-pasted. One of the common problems I've seen with chinglish is the unconcern with what part of speech a given word plays in a sentence. Adjectives are used as nouns, nouns as verbs, etc.
Wouldn't it be funny if jester were to give a failing grade to a Chinese professor's (badly translated) award winning thesis?

Marnie · Joined: 19 Apr 2006 Posts: 8

Hum. I admit I am both a newbie and not yet in China, so perhaps I am truly out of it (always a distinct possibility in any case), but I thought the essay was interesting from the perspective of how you would grade something like this. I think that is a question that deserves an answer.

Is this typical of what I will see if I teach Chinese college students?

If so, what do all your experienced hands do when faced with something like this? Do you pass the person. Do you give them credit for using big words?
What do you do?

Thanks.