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NumberOneSon

Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 314
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: AMEN |
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Tao Burp wrote: |
Great post.
I am frankly sick and f ing tired of listening to people not two feet away making incredibly sickening racist remarks about my Chinese wife. Save me the "foreigners are too blame" crap for China's past. There's no excuse for such infantile racist remarks heaped on me and her everyday. Yeah, I have been here three years, and I have had it. So, I can definitely empathize. Strange thing, though, I can take the crazy driving, the nasty habits, but I just find this whole overt racism sickening. This is the country that will host the Olympics and the World Exposition! I think it's way way way overdue that foreigners here become more vocal and less tolerant of this kind of abuse. We don't need it--we don't want it--and if we take it, we deserve it. Save me the yadda yadda yadda MTV attitude BS. Save me the China hand crap, and most of all, save me the "Whole we are foreign guests" because frankly, at this point, I really don't want to hear it when my wife cries in my arms after hearing a 16 year old girl saying, "OH She's a prostitute!" |
I know exactly what you mean. I had practically the same experience
with my wife after only a few days of us being in China together. She
would start crying for no apparent reason, then would tell me that
some ignorant *beep* had just called her a prostitute a few moments
before. Usually, it was too late for me to do anything about it, so
I just had to be with her until the effect wore off. I'd much rather
have been back in that pricks face telling him what what part of his
mother's stinking anatomy he could suck (even the Chinese are
insulted by this, oddly enough) and daring him to say anything to me.
I am especially irritated because some Chinese a##hole has just been
banging on my door for 10 minutes and it is before 7am (and my off
day!). I just went out and got ballistic in his face and sent him
away. I wanted to toss him down the stairs, but just ranted at him in
English the whole time and mocked his Chinese apologies. I don't
believe he's really sorry, anyway. The way he knocked, you would
think the building was on fire and he was trying to rescue people (
whoops, there I go thinking like a foreigner --- i doubt that anyone
would knock if there was a fire).
I swear, I'm thinking of getting signs made or something that I can
post on my door and cards I can pass out to people telling them to
screw off. Have the cards printed like regular business cards, only
with some remark about what a jerk I think they've been printed
in both Chinese and English. Of course, doing so would probably
be seen as rude, but that's the intent.
I'd save them for those "special" moments, of course, and start with
a box of 500 or so.
As for the Olympics and such, you can bet the Chinese will be at
their obsequious best and no one will be the wiser. "I like Chinese
food, the waiters never are rude" and all that, you know.
(Of course Monty Python probably never heard the cooks hocking
lugies in the kitchen while they were fixing the food.) |
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NumberOneSon

Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 314
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Linda L. wrote: |
The key is to remember that we are actually dealing with modern day barbarians. They may look 21st century; they may dress 21st century; they may have 21st century looking cars.
They have one rule of the road - there is no rule of the road. Everyone beware of the truck driver, bus driver, taxi driver, motor-cycle/scooter driver, electric bike driver, pedi cab driver and even the pedestrian who will either bump you or spit on you.
Reminds me so much of home in West Virginia!!!!
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I've often commented that China reminds me of the redneck South
50 years ago. I haven't seen much to change that impression. And
now that I'm thinking about it (after being rudely awakened at 7am
this morning by frantic knocking on my door), I seem to recall even
more examples of this.
One of them was during a PSB "lecture" from some visiting officers
on how foreigners should conduct themselves while in China. There
were the usual warnings about staying away from "top secret" military
installations and avoiding drugs, but the one which got me was the
blanket warning to the men to stay away from Chinese women.
This was done in exactly the same way some southern redneck would
have warned blacks to stop messing around with their women. Basically
they told us that if we were with a Chinese woman for any reason, she
would be a suspected prostitute and that there might be bad
consequences.
It was totally ridiculous, and I wanted to ask them if the same applied
to my wife, but I already knew the answer. It did. |
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Linda L.
Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 146
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2003 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hey number-one-son you sound like the only son, a typical Chinese spoiled rug rat only son who is used to getting everything his own way. I hope you do get in some Chinese face and hope he takes yours off for you.
If you do not like where you are, move.
I am sick and tired of you whiney little boys complaining about everything in China and everything Chinese. Go HOME, if they will have you back.
No one is forcing you to stay where you are so unhappy. And take that snivelling little woman with you. |
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NumberOneSon

Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 314
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Linda L. wrote: |
Hey number-one-son you sound like the only son, a typical Chinese spoiled rug rat only son who is used to getting everything his own way. I hope you do get in some Chinese face and hope he takes yours off for you.
If you do not like where you are, move.
I am sick and tired of you whiney little boys complaining about everything in China and everything Chinese. Go HOME, if they will have you back.
No one is forcing you to stay where you are so unhappy. And take that snivelling little woman with you. |
Oh, I forgot. We're all just happy backpackers here looking
for that idyllic "China Experience", aren't we now, and no one
should spoil the moment by saying anything bad about the place.
If you don't like my comments, ignore them and I'll gladly
ignore yours. But my experiences seem to be common enough
that I think they may be useful to others (especially those who
are likely to have more permanent ties to China).
You see, I happen to have family in China and so this IS my
home. And I happen to know a few other people who are in
the same situation. Our experiences are surprisingly similar.
But that probably doesn't include you, does it?
Have you made any commitments to China other than
a teaching contract?
If you can't handle people commenting on the reality about
life in China, YOU leave.
I'm posting about my experiences. If you want travel brochure
pabulum about China, google it.
And I don't think you know my "snivelling little woman" well enough
to comment about her, so you're just as ignorant as the Chinese
rednecks who call her a prostitute.
Or better yet, take a shot at it. Why don't you tell me about my wife.
I'm sure you have some opinions about her and the other Chinese
women who marry us "whiney little boys". |
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Seth
Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 575 Location: in exile
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 1:20 am Post subject: |
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pay no attention to Linda, she/he is a troll who enjoys getting rises out of people. |
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Linda L.
Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 146
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:21 am Post subject: |
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Seth your little name calling tirade is beneath you, or is it? I have been called far worse by far better people than you, so have at it "john."
#1 son you missed my point completely. Why am I not surprised?
You foreign men go abroad looking for a broad, find one, marry her, and then complaint about her culture, her country, her .............
Why the heck did you marry a Chinese? You honestly think you are going to change China? Get real. When you married China you accepted her as she is. Warts and all.
As to your wife, it is pretty common knowledge that Chinese have no respect for one of their own marrying a foreigner and that she would be the subject of abuse if she remained in China. Dids she expect that her rich foreign husband would take her out of China as so many expect?
My point is why do so many of you have the same complaint as you so state and this thread bears proof of? It is because so many of you have or had the wrong expectations. So stop bitching and live with what you have done or go. You will not change anything in China except the respect your wife once had is now gone forever.
Wake up and get real. |
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foreignDevil
Joined: 23 Jun 2003 Posts: 580
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 4:47 am Post subject: |
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Hey Missus Linda- your tag line "Before you judge me walk a mile in my shoes" is pretty ironic, don't you think? You seem to be capable of little else except passing judgement on people in this forum.
Why not spend more time working on improving your English grammar, and less time shrilly calling anyone who disagrees with you a pimp?
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Gray000

Joined: 14 Apr 2003 Posts: 183 Location: A better place
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:23 am Post subject: |
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LL - troll means someone who puts out something deliberately offensive in order provoke a response and generally get under people's skin. Ever hear of trolling for bait? Same idea. |
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Linda L.
Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 146
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 5:32 am Post subject: |
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"foreigndevil" how appropriate a name! You "men" make me sick.
gray sometimes the truth is offensive but if the shoe fits it must be guilty or was that if the glove does not fit you must acquit? |
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American Friend of China
Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 23
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:47 am Post subject: |
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To this Linda person:
Exactly how old are you?
You make my grandparents look like liberal leftists.
Your comments are more racist than the comments on the street.
And remember: Not all of us men who marry Chinese are under the same category. And not all of us came here for the purpose of marrying a Chinese. It was a natural thing that occurs when you stay in one city for a long time. |
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Linda L.
Joined: 03 Jul 2003 Posts: 146
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I have been in Shanghai for 2 years and I have resisted marrying a Chinese girl. Of course it is still illegal in China for a woman to marry a woman but even if I could, I wouldn't. I prefer one night stands myself.
Less mess to clean up later. |
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MartinK
Joined: 01 Mar 2003 Posts: 344
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beerdang
Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 112
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beerdang
Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 112
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Roger wrote: |
What's the last two hundred years of Chinese history to do with modern Chinese barbarian behaviour? Very, very little - nationalism, communism and reunification of the nation-state, yes, but have the Chinese been singled out for any special treatment? That's stretching my imagination beyond the extreme!
Enforced contact with the rest of the world is nothing unique. Happened throughout history in every part of the world. And the Chinese were not innocent "victims" of invaders and colonial powers either - there was no Opium War, it was a prolonged tug-of-war about trading rights much like the negotiations that took 14 years before China could reintegrate the WTO, whose predecessor she had left of her own free will, and to her own mounting chagrin.
Sometimes I think the Chinese should realise that nothing better could have happened to them than Britain occupying Hong Kong and Shanghai one century and a half ago.
Chinese imperialism is as hard-nosed as any - see how they are bullying the Filippinos over the SPratly Islands, VIetnam over the Paracelsus Islands, India over Sikkim. Not to mention past invasions.
How all this can be used as an excuse for Chinese behaviour that is GENERALLY rude and indiscriminate (against themselves as well as against outsiders) I can't understand! |
I got your point , Roger. Chinease are just as bad as americans sometimes. The only difference is that the chinese are too busy defending themselves rather than trying to fix the problems. |
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Tao Burp
Joined: 30 Apr 2003 Posts: 118 Location: CHINA
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2003 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Beerdang,
How would Chinese feel reading these postings? Probably some will take the predictable and tiresome reply: This is China; this is our culture; others, the ones that truly give a damn, will think differently, and it is the later that I stay for here in China. I have many, many Chinese friends and colleagues and family--so I will tell you straight to the point how they feel: THEY ARE ASHAMED. They are ashamed that their Chinese brothers and sisters are ignorant, backwards, and racist. These Chinese who behave and say insulting things to foreigners and to Chinese whom socialize together have no shame whatsover in demonstrating their overt behaviors. So, my Chinese friends and associates know deep down why China receives such a negative view overseas--especially when these racist behaviors occur on an intimately personably level rather than in the foreign press. And especially when the PRC government has made no efforts whatsoever to educate it own people about this disgusting behavior and the ramifications of these behaviors upon its society, its culture, its view within the modern world.
I love the Chinese people who have demonstrated gentleness, toleration, and kindness here. I especially love my Chinese students, and I love teaching here where I am appreciated for my knowledge and what I can bring from the outside world to them. What I can't understand is that some Chinese would rather smear their faces in 5000 years of pig manure, and try to revert back to looking like ignorant corn fed idiots, and no, despite some postings to the contrary, which I attribute more to some kind of cultural relativism, the racism in this country isn't even close to what it was in the states fifty years ago. It's a great deal worse.
China needs to take charge, make up its mind about modernization and define it, and then ask themselves, just where do foreign teachers play a part in their closed society. Eventually, it has to come to that, or China and its people will continue to be looked at with sour disgust--although that maybe too much of a generalization to swallow for some of us foreigners who teach here, the tragedy is we would probably understand because we have to live with the s*** everyday here. |
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