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valley_girl

Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 272 Location: Somewhere in Canada
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, Gordon, I believe "ouch" was what I said as well. Or something like that. Actually, I was in and out of consciousness, so who knows what I said?
So no one has had any experience with Leicester?
I'm still leaning towards UNE, even though it may take me more than two years. My father says to stop putting so much pressure on myself and to give myself three years to complete my MA. Perhaps he's right.  |
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mlomker

Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 378
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Posted: Sat May 06, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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My father says to stop putting so much pressure on myself and to give myself three years to complete my MA. Perhaps he's right.  |
Heh. In my case I finished half of my degree, took a year off, and now I'm going back. I've found that I can do two out of three: full-time job, grad school, or social life. |
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sojourner
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 738 Location: nice, friendly, easy-going (ALL) Peoples' Republic of China
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Valley Girl,
Further to my posting on the subject of UNE's MA (AL) programme, why don't you do a search on that university's M.Ed programme ? In that programme, it's possible to specialise in TESOL. I'm pretty sure that they would allow you to include a couple of Applied Linguistics units into your schedule. There would be a lot of employers who might consider a MEd (TESOL) to be a far more "practically-oriented" qualification than one in Applied Linguistics - something to think about. Do you want to stick with basic EFL/ESL work, or do you want to eventually branch out into EAP or some other area of ESP ? If so, an MA (AL) might be your best option - but, here, you might want to consider pertinent units, such as Discourse Analysis, Language for Specific Purposes, etc. Unfortunately, the number of units offered by UNE is a bit limited - but, as I have already indicated, UNE will sometimes allow to do units being offered by other unis (eg Macaquarie Uni).
Incidently, why don't you do a search on Macquarie's own Applied Linguistics programme ? That institution is regarded as Aust's main centre for Applied Linguistics research. During the past, it has had some of the world's top people in the field teaching there, eg David Nunan.
You mentioned something about Leicester Uni, in the UK. Over the past few years, a number of postings to Dave's Teacher Training Forum have referred to that institution - but, apart from mentioning that it has high standards, there doesn't seem to be too many details about workloads, subjects, assessment, etc. I did a search last night, but couldn't find much. Why don't you do a search for someone who has studied there, and send him/her a PM ? Alternately, post a query to that forum.
Still on the subject of UK unis, do a search on the University of London. For many years, they have been running external programmes in many disciplines. I wouldn't be surprised if they also have a programme in Applied Linguistics.
Regards,
Peter
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| A good friend of mine did his masters at Leicester a few years back. He thinks highly of it. He is now with the British Council in Korea. |
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valley_girl

Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 272 Location: Somewhere in Canada
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| sojourner wrote: |
Further to my posting on the subject of UNE's MA (AL) programme, why don't you do a search on that university's M.Ed programme ? In that programme, it's possible to specialise in TESOL. I'm pretty sure that they would allow you to include a couple of Applied Linguistics units into your schedule. There would be a lot of employers who might consider a MEd (TESOL) to be a far more "practically-oriented" qualification than one in Applied Linguistics - something to think about. |
In Canada, employers tend to ask for MAs in Applied Linguistics, Education, or English, but I'm sure an MEd would also be highly regarded. However, as I did not take a BEd, I don't see much point in pursuing an MEd. An MA in Applied Linguistic matches best with what I would like to study for both my personal and professional goals.
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| Do you want to stick with basic EFL/ESL work, or do you want to eventually branch out into EAP or some other area of ESP ? |
I currently teach EAP at a Canadian university. In my short career, I have already done all of those that you have mentioned - EFL, ESL, ESP, and EAP. I plan to continue teaching EAP, so the MA in AL is definitely worthwhile for me.
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| Incidently, why don't you do a search on Macquarie's own Applied Linguistics programme ? |
I already have. It looks like a good programme.
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Still on the subject of UK unis, do a search on the University of London. For many years, they have been running external programmes in many disciplines. I wouldn't be surprised if they also have a programme in Applied Linguistics.
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I'll look into it. Thanks! |
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valley_girl

Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 272 Location: Somewhere in Canada
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Gordon wrote: |
| A good friend of mine did his masters at Leicester a few years back. He thinks highly of it. He is now with the British Council in Korea. |
Thanks, Gordon! I've had some recommendations for Leicester and have heard their MA is top of the line. I am still on the fence! Need to make a decision soon! |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Try a search on Dave's on Leicester, there is quite a bit about it. I looked into it a few years ago, it looked good but quite expensive, maybe close to double what many Australian MAs charge. |
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:53 am Post subject: The Institute of Education of the University of London |
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| Still on the subject of UK unis, do a search on the University of London. For many years, they have been running external programmes in many disciplines. I wouldn't be surprised if they also have a programme in Applied Linguistics. |
The Institute of Education (IoE) of the University of London is the specialist college for almost anything and everything to do with education and TESOL. In fact, the IoE does offer an MA in TESOL through distance-learning, and the fees are about 6,000 GBP. However, since I am doing the Open University MA in Education (which is over 1,000 GBP less expensive, by the way!), I will not be doing that!
Having said that, though, the IoE also offers an MA in Applied Educational Leadership and Management. This is the sort of qualification that one should do if one wants, for example, to be something like a deputy principal in a school or college. I intend to start undertaking this qualification from next year (it lasts three years), although it does cost 7,425 GBP at 2005-6 fee levels for distance-learning students. |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:57 am Post subject: |
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| Chris, you may want to add that the tuition prices you are quoting are for UK citizens only or not. I remember when I was looking into UK masters degrees that there was a huge descepancy for those who are not UK citizens. |
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Chris_Crossley

Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Still in the centre of Furnace City, PRC, after eight years!!!
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 3:14 am Post subject: Fees for UK distance master's degrees studied abroad |
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| Chris, you may want to add that the tuition prices you are quoting are for UK citizens only or not. I remember when I was looking into UK masters degrees that there was a huge [discrepancy] for those who are not UK citizens. |
I believe that the prices I have quoted are for all students, believe it or not. You can download the pdf format brochure for the MA in Applied Educational Leadership and Management from this URL:
http://www.londonexternal.ac.uk/educationleadership
On page 6, there is only one set of fees mentioned and nothing is said about whether this applies only to UK students. Since this is meant to be a distance-learning programme that anybody around the world can take, the fee of 7,425 GBP must apply to everybody. However, they exclude the cost of sitting up to four written examinations (for two core modules during Year 1 and two optional modules during Year 2) in your area; you have to pay your local education authority separately. |
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sojourner
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 738 Location: nice, friendly, easy-going (ALL) Peoples' Republic of China
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Valley Girl,
I vaguely recall a posting to Dave's Teacher Training Forum, of about four years, in which the poster was very critical of Leicester Uni's regulations regarding the crediting of subjects passed. I can't remember the exact details, but when I read that posting I was reminded of the time, many moons previously, when I was enrolled in the University of London's LLB External Programme. I'm not sure about the current situation, but when I was enrolled in that programme, if you sat for examinations in four subjects , in which you passed two and failed two, for the next year you would have to repeat ALL four subjects - INCLUDING the two that you had already obtained passes in ! Crazy system ! By comparison, with Aust/NZ unis, you would receive credit for the subjects that you had passed, and would be required to re-enrol only in those that you had failed in. Are all UK unis so draconian and inflexible ? Maybe, things have changed in recent years. Anyway, before enrolling in any UK uni, go over their assessment and crediting regulations with the proverbial fine tooth comb.
Besides the two Aust unis (UNE and Macquarie) that I mentioned in my previous two postings, do a search on those NZ unis that offer MA programmes in Applied Linguistics. For many years, only Massey Uni provided distance learning programmes - but, possibly, other institutions have now jumped onto that band waggon. Who knows, NZ degree programmes could even be a bit cheaper than their Australian equivalents ! But in any case, tuition fees for both countries would be well below those of the UK, Canada and the US
Also, do a search for the University of South Africa (Unisa).That institution was, reputedly, once the world's largest provider of distance education degree programmes. It once had a good reputation, re academic standards, etc - but I'm not sure of the current situation.
If you have any queries re distance education programmes, post them to Dave's Teacher Training Forum. Many of the posters to that forum are doing Masters' degrees in TESOL and Applied Linguistics.
Regards,
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valley_girl

Joined: 22 Sep 2004 Posts: 272 Location: Somewhere in Canada
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Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, I'm leaning more towards unis in Australia and New Zealand, but it has been helpful to get all of this feedback. The three I am considering right now are U Vic (Wellington), UNE, and MacQuarrie (I've probably spelled that incorrectly). No decision yet. Perhaps tonight I will have a glass of wine and see what divine inspiration I have!  |
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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| Originally, I applied and was accepted into Macquarie, however, I have never come across such incompetence in a university before (yes, hard to believe) regarding their int'l admissions office. They were really rude and never returned emails or phone calls about clarifications. I thought that if they were this bad BEFORE they got my money, what will they be like afterwards. So I dropped them and went to USQ. Macquarie had a big name in Oz, no question, but I found them incompetent. In fact, when I searched a bit, I found many others who were treated similarly. This was 3 years ago, perhaps they have changed, perhaps not. This was very frustrating as it is a lot of work to put together an application to grad school when you are half way around the world. |
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jillford64
Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 397 Location: Sin City
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Great information everyone. I am also condsidering getting a Master�s degree by distance education. Eventually I will want to return to the US to teach, so my question is: Does anyone know how US employers regard distance degrees from foreign universities?
Jill |
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Chancellor
Joined: 31 Oct 2005 Posts: 1337 Location: Ji'an, China - if you're willing to send me cigars, I accept donations :)
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