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Gordon

Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 5309 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:53 am Post subject: |
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sushi wrote: |
Food in Japan is s--t incidently |
Ironic that you call yourself sushi. What does that say about you?
Personally, I'd take Korean food over Japanese any day. I miss the spicy food. |
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konyoku
Joined: 09 Sep 2005 Posts: 54 Location: neither here nor there
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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AndyH wrote: |
You can find almost everything here (except decent Mexican food and turkey) |
I beg to differ. You obviously haven't been to "Pancho Villa" in Odakyu-Sagamihara. There you'll find Japan's best margaritas and mexican dishes at great prices. |
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AndyH
Joined: 30 Sep 2004 Posts: 417
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Ah! I think I walked past that place once. I'm glad to hear it was good. I'll have to give it a try.
Thanks for letting me know! |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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Food in Japan is s--t incidently |
A pointless statement for 2 reasons.
1. No supporting evidence.
2. Everyone's tastes are different. Moreover, Japan has tons of international/ethnic foods, so you don't have to rely on eating only Japanese food (which SOME of us think tastes pretty darned good). Why call yourself "sushi" if you have such a low opinion of Japanese food?
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I read in the Japan times that the powers that be are wanting to emulate what they are doing in Korea in the japanese elementry schools. Too many stone heads in the ministry it seems who are afraid that the students might lose their culture. |
SOME powers that be want to change, but the stronger ones don't.
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It was also said that there aren't enough capable teachers in Japan to fill the positions should they be available. *beep* argument. If they advertise they will find the teachers, and if the japanese teachers and the japanese system pick up their acts the right teachers find the right jobs |
Sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about. When the Ministry opened up English in elem ed schools a couple of years ago, it never gave the teachers the time to prepare lessons or to become trained in teaching English. So far, that has remained constant, yet English is even more prevalent in those schools. So, how are schools supposed to find "the right teachers" if they aren't even being trained here? |
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sushi
Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Posts: 145
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:32 am Post subject: |
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Hey you have to read my post. I said hogwons and academies never. I was in the public school system and in an institute at some point in time. Unless you have thouroughly checked out the Institute you are applying to give it a miss.
Public schools and universities are the only way to go in Korea. Payment for your public school work comes to you directly from the ministry of education, and there are a lot of perks to working in the system as well.
In Korea they seem to do everything on a hit an miss basis in the public school system. you are hired and left to do your own thing. Unless of course you have serious problems and word eventually filters back to the administrators. Those that like it and eventually work out how to organize and teach their lessons stay. They dont kick you out. I think they just grit their teeth or in many places close their eyes. The bad ones find their place after while either by not getting rehired or by quiting on their own or by staying on, because they picked up some other interest on the side. There seems to be a lot more tolerance in the Korean public system than maybe there is in the Japanese system.
Sushi I like, but that seems to be the only descent dish they have in Japan. The portions you get of it in Japan are kinda meager compared to what you get for the same price in Korea.
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poof
Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 161
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:46 am Post subject: |
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Japan - world's most delicious food; better mountainside; more interesting culture; nicer temple architecture and garden design; more cutting-edge design and fashion; easier to learn judo; bigger, better, more, most....
Korea - cheaper everything; easier to teach at a uni; easier to learn to read Korean script; kids not as psychotic; not so rigidly formal; easier to learn taekwondo... |
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ironopolis
Joined: 01 Apr 2004 Posts: 379
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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:47 am Post subject: |
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On the subject of food, I'm not surprised at the reaction to sushi's initial comment about it in the earlier post. And I'd agree with AndyH that if non-local food is your priority, you'll do a lot better in Japan than in Korea. That advantage is slightly offset, however, by the number of places in Japan that purport to give you (insert other country)'s food, but actually give you a version of it bastardised beyond belief to suit local tastes. Italian food, especially, suffers in this regard.
However, if we're talking not about imported cuisines, but the local stuff then I can well empathize with sushi's (or anyone's) disappointment when they came to Japan. For me, as someone who's overall fairly happy in Japan, the local food has been the most disappointing factor; particularly so given (a) how much the Japanese themselves go on and on about the general wonderfulness of their cuisine and (b) its fairly strong international reputation. There are a few things I quite like here, but so much of Japan's food seems to have way too much salt, sugar, and don't even get me started on mayonnaise! An awful lot of stuff is fried, I see little in the way of fresh vegetables in many dishes and even the fruit is way too sweet.
Obviously this is completely a matter of taste and if you like all these things, then good luck to you. Just make sure you bring some toothpaste from your home country
On comparisons between the 2 countries generally, I've spent quite a lot of time in both, have my own clear preference, but when advising anyone else always try to stress that whilst undoubtedly sometimes people can fare badly in another culture through little fault of their own, so much still depends on the individual; and that it's quite possible to have either a good or bad experience in either country. In my opinion, it's a shame when you get people who themselves had a bad experience in another country, who seem absolutely adamant that their experience is accepted as the definitive one. This kind of "no! my opinion is the correct one!" attitude says as much about the person themsleves as about the country they didn't like, and is probably one of the reasons they failed to adapt.
So be very wary of anybody telling you about any country, Korea, Japan or anywhere else for that matter, that it's an impossibility or near it to be happy there. |
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D.O.S.

Joined: 02 Apr 2003 Posts: 108 Location: TOKYO (now)/ LONDON
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Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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ironopolis wrote: |
On comparisons between the 2 countries generally, I've spent quite a lot of time in both, have my own clear preference, but when advising anyone else always try to stress that whilst undoubtedly sometimes people can fare badly in another culture through little fault of their own, so much still depends on the individual; and that it's quite possible to have either a good or bad experience in either country. In my opinion, it's a shame when you get people who themselves had a bad experience in another country, who seem absolutely adamant that their experience is accepted as the definitive one. This kind of "no! my opinion is the correct one!" attitude says as much about the person themsleves as about the country they didn't like, and is probably one of the reasons they failed to adapt.
So be very wary of anybody telling you about any country, Korea, Japan or anywhere else for that matter, that it's an impossibility or near it to be happy there. |
A very strong contribution.
I have attended several conferences in Korea and have several very good friends there.
I feel that Korea is "under-valued" by most EFL teachers. Especially those looking to stay long term and view EFL and the industry as a career. |
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sushi
Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Posts: 145
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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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I miss the general noisiness of Korean restaurants and coffee shops. People in Korea seem to enjoy themselves more when they go out to eat or when they go to coffee shops. They at least talk. They might even talk to the foreigener or invite him or her to join them. In Japan even if they are shocked that you are a foreigener they say and do nothing. (All Robot like). In Korea they will at least be honest about it and look or gawk at you.
I have to say that walking into a Japanese coffee shop is sometimes akin to walking into a morgue with a bunch of stiffs seated in the chairs. |
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AndyH
Joined: 30 Sep 2004 Posts: 417
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:05 am Post subject: |
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I'll agree with you on that, Sushi. |
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Cshannon
Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 114
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Food in Japan is s--t incidently |
Time for a rant...
Japanese food is of the highest quality. Korea doesn't compare. You can find better Korean/Chinese food in Japan than in Korea (albeit more expensive), but almost never the other way around.
Japanese standards are just much higher. (100 yen shops aside ) the supermarket produce in Tokyo is the best I've seen anywhere in the world. They also import the best stuff from all over- ex. if you like your fancy European goods like cheese/pastries etc., you can find them in abundance in Tokyo.
Everyday J-food is great - ramen, donburi, tonkatsu, sushi, yakitori, nabemono etc. is all really good stuff. Japanese restaurants are highly specialised resulting in well-prepared food (not to mention using superior ingredients as a rule).
As for ethnic food, in Tokyo you can find excellent international food from almost any country; and pasta in Japan is delicious, not sure why one poster considers it "bastardised"- some (not all) dishes might have a bit of squid/ebi or sprinkle on some nori or tobiko (which I find delicious btw), but mainly it's quite standard (carbonara, pesto, bolognese etc.) and very well prepared. Even just try a simple place like "To the Herbs" for really good pasta around 1000 yen.
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Sushi I like, but that seems to be the only descent dish they have in Japan. The portions you get of it in Japan are kinda meager compared to what you get for the same price in Korea |
Yeah but the quality of sushi in Japan is far better than anywhere else. Try eating at a place nearby tsukiji (where the fish is fresh) and tell me the price isn't worth it.
I don't get people who put down Japanese food like that (or the beer for that matter, which frankly is good stuff). Seriously, I can't understand. I guess maybe back home people are just so used to living off of bargain-bin pork chops, macaroni, fish sticks etc., drinking crap budweiser and actually liking the stuff, that they can't appreciate how good Japanese cuisine really is... Regardless, it's top-notch, not sure how else to put it...
Lastly, I don't like the noisy style of restaurants in Korea. Japanese have enough consideration to let people eat in peace. If you want a lively atmosphere just go to an izakaya, you won't be disappointed. In a restaurant most people just want to relax, it's good that Japanese people have manners. As for cafes, in Tokyo they're nothing how you described, you can find quiet ones, but often they're full of young people chirping away, and lively as can be. |
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Jon Taylor
Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 238 Location: Tokyo
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Korean food is much nicer than Japanese food.
There are more and more Korean restaurants opening up in Japan and the ones in my area are ALWAYS full.
There is so much more variety.
I could name 20 delicious Korean dishes and if you would like I would be more than happy to list them.
I struggle to name more than 3 or 4 delicious Japanese dishes.
Let's face it....On the subject of Japanese food it's always the same answer....sushi, sushi, sushi and erm.........sashemi. |
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Cshannon
Joined: 10 Dec 2004 Posts: 114
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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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I struggle to name more than 3 or 4 delicious Japanese dishes |
Far from detracting from Japanese food, this just shows your ignorance. It seems you have no idea what you're talking about.
A few delicious Japanese foods:
Agemono
-Kushiage/karaage
-Tempura
-Tonkatsu
-Korroke
Donburi
-Katsudon
-Oyakodon
-Gyudon
-Tendon
-Unatamadon
Yakimono
-Gyoza
-Hamachi kama
-Kushiyaki
-Okonomiyaki
-Omu-soba
-Takoyaki
-Teriyaki
-Unagi/kabayaki
-Yakisoba
-Yakitori
Nabemono
-Motsunabe
-Nikujaga
-Oden
-Shabu-shabu
-Sukiyaki
-Tecchiri
Noodles
-Soba (kake, kitsune, tempura, tanuki, tsukimi, tororo, wakame)
-Ramen (miso, shio, shoyo, tonkotsu)
-Udon (various dishes)
-Champon
-Somen
Rice
-Mochi
-Ochazuke
-Onigiri
-Sekihan
-Kamameshi
-Curry rice
-Hayashi rice
-Rice Omelette
Soups
-Tonjiru
-Dangojiru
-Miso soup
-Sumashijiru
Sushi
-Nigirizushi
-makizushi
-Temaki
-Chirashi
Other
-Agedashi tofu
-Bento
-Hiyayakko
-Osechi
-Natto
-Shiokara
-Chawan mushi
Deserts (too many to list)
Let's see that's, that lists well over 50. Now good ahead professor with your "20 delicious Korean dishes" (as if it matters, the point still being that it'll be better quality in Japan anyway). Now how about actually giving Japanese food a try?
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There are more and more Korean restaurants opening up in Japan and the ones in my area are ALWAYS full |
This is not true about Korean restaurants per se, and in Tokyo just about any restaurant gets full around dinner-time anyway, so whatever. |
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movinaround
Joined: 08 Jun 2006 Posts: 202
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:39 am Post subject: |
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Having lived in Japan for two years (and China for one) and now living in Korea, both have good food. To say either has almost no good food is just crazy and I suggest leaving the McDonald's you must obviously live in Both have tons of really good food (and both have some absolutely horrible food too though...) |
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sushi
Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Posts: 145
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Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2006 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Hey a lot of that stuff in your list is junk man
Noodles are noodles everywhere and it's a sad state of affairs that you put them in your list. Every bus stop in korea makes their own noodles at least as good as if not better than the Osaka crud.
Soups Koreans would never brag about, because every restaurant offers the same version of what you have in your soup list. "Miso soup" my god. thats a junk option for almost every meal.
We got the rice dishes too. Curry rice,rice omelete, omorice and the korean equivalents of the others aren't things that are advertised in Korea again because they are so common.
Tofu is tofu and you can't vary the way it's served across international boundaries. The stuff is in one of ones side dishes that come with your main meals in Korea
Your meat dishes I am not familiar with, but I have had shabu shabu and it wouldn't make the menu in Korea. Boiling beef in water. Gimme a break
I have dined with a lot of Japanese and they openly admit that Japanese meat dishes do not compare with Korean meat dishes.
They dont pull any punches when they talk about the shite quality of their food compared to that of Korea
I have had teriyaki, but not in Japan. (In Hawaii actually), and that I'll admit is delicious. You probably gotta paye through the nose for it though, and then it probably takes you ten years to locate decent restaurants that cook the stuff.(Like with a lotta the stuff on your list) Albeit may be the only decent one in japan is in Yokohama while you live in Fukuhoka. |
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