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HunanForeignGuy · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Shanghai, PRC

I have noted SuperMario's objections (as well as his errors in grammar) as well as the young lad DanielB's objections and PeterGunn's objections and charming remarks.

All that being said, I also note two things : in respect of PeterGunn, nearly every thread in which he makes an appearance has the dishonor of being locked by the moderator. Is that coincidence? Next, I would like to ask PeterGunn what he has contributed substantively to the instant thread? Nothing of any great value.

As for DanielB, I can only ask the same question. What have you contributed substantively to this thread? Or to any other thread on this Board into which you interject your young self? Quite little nasty comments are of no value. If you have something concrete to say about Angelina's, then say it.

As for SuperMario, I believe it is you to whom the moderator was referring in a previous (locked) thread in which he noted that a final warning had been issued (for rude conduct, among other things). I cannot say that all of your postings on all of the threads are valueless. I have found some actually almost enlightening although i do not share your views. AV classes, for example, are a cop-out and are usually handed to newbie teachers who do not possess the requisite classroom skills. A good teacher, SuperMario, uses his or her intellect, not a DVD.

I look forward to ANY kind of a substantive posting by either of DanielB or PeterGunn in any thread into which they hurl themselves. Personally, I do not think that will ever happen. It's just not that kind of species, so to speak. Some yap and snipe, others cogitate.

petergunn · Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 150

HunanForeignGuy · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Shanghai, PRC

petergunn · Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 150

danielb · Joined: 08 Aug 2003 Posts: 490

There are a few ways to answer you here HFG. I could spend some time and go through your posts pointing out the inordinate amount of grammatical errors, poor arguments, personal attacks, inaccuracies, hypocrisy, and arrogant claims. But I won�t. I could resort to name calling in personal messages (on that point, no, my parents didn�t abandon me as a child) and threaten to have you banned. Also, like you have. But, I won�t do that either. Further, I could resort to attempting to belittle your country and your people. Something I would never do. Have you?

What I will do. I�ll point out that I criticise you and your posts because I am �true blue� and believe in being �fair dinkum�. I would try to explain these most Australian of Australian terms to you but I fear that you would fail to understand their significance. And, their latent yet significant moral and cultural implications are themes to which you would not subscribe.

petergunn · Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 150

A werry well written post, DB!!

cj750 · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing

Posters dont lock threads....mods lock threads

HunanForeignGuy · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Shanghai, PRC

Nonetheless, PeterGunne and DanielB, we are STILL awaiting your contribution to the topic of this thread -- Angelina's ESL Cafe.

Do you have anything either substantive or relevant to say regarding this thread?

Now's the time...when flamers and trolls go one way and genuine posters go another. So please do share your comments about Angelina's with us...

Brian Caulfield · Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 1247 Location: China

Good schools recognize and are recognized by good schools so there is no need for them to use a recruiter. The good schools don't hire through recruiters anywhere . I am sorry but this is the fact in Korea and Taiwan now . Since recruiters have become involved the quality of the average new teacher in these countries has come down. And their wages have also deminished .
This is the problem I have noted since being in China . There is no continuation of a program . Get the old teacher out before the new teacher arrives attitude is what this system produces .
What is wrong with people dealing directly with one another? It is like a marriage broker . Who gets the blaim when there is a divorce ?

petergunn · Joined: 15 Feb 2006 Posts: 150

Angelinas is a recruiter, and I have nothing good to say about recruiters. I have never had to resort to using their services.

Sinko · Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 349

Sorry, Brian, but you are wrong. Good schools DO use recruiters. I worked for a recruiter for quite a few months last year and found that a very large number of good, reputable schools and institutions used our company because it was more convenient for them. The task of finding their own foreign teachers was usually too time consuming, due to a lack of resources, among other reasons.

Brian Caulfield · Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 1247 Location: China

Name the schools Sinko . Like you said people are lazy and don't want to do research . Which to me means the people being hired are not important to them . It is like using a head hunter . Good companies don't use them because it creates bad faith in the business . My best job in South Korea was at Wonkwong University where I stayed five years . My FAQ was told not to use recruiters .
It is the same here . You never see good schools in Hangzhou or Nanjing being advertised by recruiters because they hire directly .
Now last year I worked in Shanxi and three other people were being paid before me . This is what happens when you let other people find you jobs .

cj750 · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing

My partner just got a placement through Angelina's ESL Cafe that netted him a contract worth 10K RMB per month and this agency often works for International Schools in the Beijing area.

Again, just because you had a bad experience does not mean that it is set in stone that all recruiters are bad and no school uses them..this is a simple lashing out and an effort to paint every experience with your bad luck.

No one can take any one experience or advice posted on this board as gospel.....

Brian Caulfield · Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 1247 Location: China

You still havn't named any schools and 10,000 is small money in Beijing .
Beijing is an expensive city, as costly to live in as any other city in the world and you want me to drool over a grand US and change for teaching English there. I repeat in education you must respect degrees and when you hire someone thru someone elses work you are not respecting the business. Recruiters have only lessoned the value of accademia . Most people I know in Beijing who make much more than 20,000 a month work indepently and make their own contracts .

cj750 · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing

And I wont name any schools..I am not a recruiter .but I did check with one yesterday and she gave me a list of Universities and schoolin Nanjing that she serves....and as far as the drool, your actin like a tool and that , fool is not required..the partner I spoke about is a black non native speaker and I think 10K is ok for a first year job...