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cj750 · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing

At this time rookies are hired in many provinces...so there is a chance for experience..but I would think that any experience may be use for an example...such as in class internships or assistant teaching positions..even Sunday School instruction or voluntary service maybe to incl. something like the Boy scouts..I myself was an Eagle..but never put that on my resume but I do know teachers who do...as to hitting it out of the ballpark..there are very few guidelines that make way for exceptional performance of inexperienced players..just the way the ball game is played...sorry if it is not fair..but then again..it likely is fair to someone...

Indiana Jones · Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject:

Shan-Shan,

I agree, there are a lot of "weekend" CELTA and TESL qualifications out there. What I'm proposing is something globally recognised, something uniform. I guess it's impossible, considering the different education systems we all have, and it's up to the individual country to decide.

I'm just frustrated I'm too old to get a Working Holiday Visa, and my diploma is a year shy of a degree. I worked hard to earn it, and it's just as solid as a degree; but it's two years, not three, so no one respects it. A lot of options people in their 20s take for granted (and I'm guilty of doing that a little) are no longer available to me. It's frustrating knowing that if my diploma were one year longer, I'd get a job in a flash (especially with my CV and letters of recommendation from professional references).

So really, I'm just full of wishful thinking for an ideal world and situation, mixed with bitterness at reality.

dave_merk · Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 208

As usual, I see no evidence that this "need to have a degree" thing is going to become the strictly-enforced national standard, if it is even happening at all. The same will continue to happen that has always happened in this country: regions with a high turn-over rate for FTs will lower the bar of expectations, while Shanghai and Beijing and other places with lots of foreigners will not. In addition to your region, how much time you've spent in China and if you have a licensed employer to vouch for you are all important factors. In essence, Dave's is just one gigantic rumor mill with a few people passing around what they've heard and turning it into fact right away. Frankly, outside of this website and the posts of people like wordup, I've never heard anything about the government tightening anything up. The PSB here in Heilongjiang didn't know anything about it, the Education Bureau didn't know anything about it, and neither did the Foreign Affairs Office.

One of the important questions the OP asked was how the purported tightening up would affect FTs who don't have degrees but already have their RPF and FEC, the answer is: it wont. Once you already have those documents in hand then the FAO could give two shits about whether you have a degree or not. Applying for them and renewing them are two totally different processes...which is why it takes a week to get an FEC but only two days to renew it. That's also why the PSB has created a new application for people to renew their RPF, rather than the old one that everyone filled out regardless of whether or not they were apply or renewing.

So, in conclusion, if you already have a RPF and a FEC and you school has a diamazheng 代码证, there isn't much for you to worry about. I speak from experience.

Outsida · Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject:

Outsida wishes to speak in the third person as well!

I agree with tofubaby, these missionaries are a disgrace. Risking their students' reputations, livelihoods - perhaps even their lives - all in the name of racking up more membership numbers for their churches. Disgusting. The sooner the Chinese government replaces "deportation" with "hard prison time", the sooner these scumbags might decide that the laws of God aren't really THAT worth enforcing and skedaddle. We can only hope so.

cj750 · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing

You have to remember that many of the Christ like orgs are sanctioned by the PRC..ELIC is a registered asian educational organization by Beijing and the biggest problem they have is not deportation..it is young christian men running off with godless Chinese girls...

cj750 · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing

Another thing that I have noticed is that after conversion..there is no groundwork laid to continue religious teachings or could it be that this is mearly a mark on the church membership pew..I have seen little follow up (ala) Billy Graham campagne) where as everyone converted gets a sponsor or a contact to continue religious education...kind of like being in Panama City when the Christians come to vacation in their Sunday school class group..save a beach bum and leave the saved lost soul standing in the waves of salvation on the beach ...never to be seen by their saviors who leave feeling proud that they have affected some sinners life....