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vikdk
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too right sino -
General MacEGarthur to EF high-command - I will return - Iwill I will I will I will I will (sounds of men in white coats leading him away)
General Checkmate-patton - addressing an EF shell-shocked front liner - you're a coward - as far as I see there are so many chicken *beep* whinging foreigners here and bugger all good teachers (followed by the now famous - slap slap slap)
ohhh how history has a happy way of reinventing itself  |
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cj750
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Location: Beijing
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| EG, it seems you have transformed from educating people about the evil EF empire to outright trolling anyone who dares to say anything remotely positive about a particular EF centre. |
If there was any more to his education than the rant of a bitter ex...it is too bad "face" got in the way...but let him wear his a$$ on his shoulders...it is important to let the future applicants of EF to know disgruntled employees as well as the position in the market place that EF holds as to pay and respect... |
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checkmate
Joined: 22 May 2005
Posts: 55
Location: Shenzhen. China
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: XMH rocks |
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i enjoyed reading the posts especially sinobear but I gotta go to the front lines now and court martial some teachers.
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
Based on everyones comments about Ef it is obvious some dont know jack about what they are talking about and others have some real grievances that should be addressed by the proper personal responsible.
It seems that the perception of what Ef is about varies. Ef is a business as well and some people seem to resent that fact or feel thay derserve a bigger piece of the action.
I dont know about that and I guess my center is going to be unique.
To all others I have shares in Kimberley Clarke if you want something to wipe up all those tears.
This is my quote. I say what I mean and I mean what say.
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vikdk
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| Based on everyones comments about Ef it is obvious some dont know jack about what they are talking about and others have some real grievances that should be addressed by the proper personal responsible |
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too right Checkmate - then again by reading the posts of the EF Shenzhen manager we do have an Idea on the managerial style adopted in some of the centres -
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If all these hotshot crybaby teachers are so good why are they here whinging instead of in their own countries where everyone is treated fairly and given a decent wage.
If someone has a problem with EF ok. Then talk to the head office and whinge to them.
For those who just cry about something all the time jeez just give it a rest. If you dont like it then just go home. |
wowwwww - imagine going to this guy with a problem - he really doesn't sound like Mr. Compromise - does he? After all his posts tell us, when at loggerheads I'll tell those slackers -"whinger ya can either buggger off to head office or take back home" - what more do you need to know about EF Shenzhen |
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KES
Joined: 17 Nov 2004
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Englishgibbon: Would you like a moist towlette?
Please don't post that bit of fiction about your life being threatened anymore. I don't believe it.
Nobody else believes it.
You were fired.
You're grinding an axe.
Nobody cares.
Get over it. |
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englishgibson
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| ...outright trolling.... |
right on this thread 
and, i be'cha Chinese a*s is enjoying the same funky chicken on here as well as on other forums 
What the readers see here is what they see on many other threads, since only few threads on these forums are enjoying a civilized discussion that sticks to the topics of the threads
Employers, recruiters, flamers etc have polluted these forums...
OP, what's the question of this thread? What are your expectations? How's Shanghai, by the way?
Checkmate, excellent advertising of EF centers in Shenzhen that've gone "their way" and away from EF English First standards....standards that are fading sooo quickly in China Your phone numbers on the beginning were lovely and your non standard EF email adrress as well as your questionable knowledge of standard EF English First academic materials and their levels are rather hilarious (not to the ones that know little about EF). EF Center Manager and DOS combined ..and again your Putonghua and Cantonese must be really good to deal with all the business there 
Note: EF English First has got a standardized email address for every official EF Director of Studies, EF Center Manager as well as EF Sales and Marketing Manager and that is [email protected] in China. Then, there's a standardized organizational structure ...getting away from standards means establishing new standards....establishing new standards means "cheating the recruitees" who come in EF to work under an impression that it is a franchised organization with its standards
and I am one who's gone through many substandards, non standards, cheating, and so on and on at EF English First in China.
scr*w u dishonest recruiters, dishonest EF franchisees/clonees and flamers on
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cheers and beers to the hard working FTs in China 
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checkmate
Joined: 22 May 2005
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Location: Shenzhen. China
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:57 am Post subject: and so |
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vikdk:
It seems that whatever I say its not gonna make you happy.
did I do something to you in a previous life????
To everyone else.
My style is not for everyone and thats fair enough.
But people who just whinge for the sake of it and do not even have any solutions should think about going home.
Others have also continued to spout their anti-EF opinions which is fair enough as well but looking for a solution and trying to to make things a bit better for my teachers and staff is my aim.
I dont have all the answers but at least Im trying to improve things or are there just so many who find no peace unless they are critising everything around them and are they part of the solution or part of the problem.
If you know me and about me then criticise all you want if it makes you feel better. But unless you have worked with me or work in my center then your words are like smoke.
Obviously I would love for anyone who wants to come here to visit us and see that we are not this bad evil empire that is being depicted. At my center we are all just doing what we are paid to do and trying to do the best we can.
If that aint good enough then so be it but it seems there are a lot of scare mongers here. And I guess if you say something often enough everyone begins to believe it regardless of whether there is any truth.
Its a good marketing ploy by opposition companies to get more business by saying nasty things about EF. Or is it just the tall poppy syndrome.
Foreigners have brought many things to China and I guess we gotta take the bad with the good.
It would be nice to see some positive posts from F/Ts here regardless of where they teach. This site seems to be just a site for people to whinge, cry and gripe about everything in China.
I suppose its like the saying goes. ' If you do something good no-one remembers. If you do something bad no-one forgets'. |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: English First-DOS (second try) |
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Ohhhh, you're so lovely Checkmate as well as your work ethics and that advertising on here ....not to forget your excellent "kiwi English"
How come that you've got no official EF English First email address as an EF Center Manager and a Director of Studies "combined position"?
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| My style is not for everyone and thats fair enough. |
Scary for FTs with "different styles" as well as for the franchisers..hell franchisers don't care as long as they get their "kickbacks" ...the ol pal owner of this one might be somewhere in Switzerland or who knows....the franchisers don't know themselves
Keep your "styles" going and keep pleasing everyone
I have yet another "saying" as Checkmate's got in his post above and this one is "In China, employers always know what their product is"
And I am the one with experience of honest EF employers in China
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cheers and beers to the hard working FTs in China
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checkmate
Joined: 22 May 2005
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Location: Shenzhen. China
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject: English gibson |
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i read your post and one of us is wrong.
You have made some pretty remarkable claims and especially the parts about cheating this or that. first if you are in Shenzhen come and see me. I haven't and dont cheat anyone and no one at my center does. If you got the proof then produce it on this site so everyone can see what it is and what such big rip off artisits we are.
Changing standards. No improving standards trying to. Email. Your kidding. Petrhaps you should look at our website. All our school in shenzhen end in @ef-shenzhen.com
They standardised the name so it didnt need to be changed if the CM/DOS changed thats why my email starts with xmh_bcm which stands for xiang mi hu_ branch center manager.
Is paying our teachers 10,000RMB per month a rip off.Plus extra for placement tests. Paid work visa, airfare, medical. Emergency accommodation if needed. O/T pay. Transport assistance for our permanent teachers if they need it free.
All in our contract in black and white.
I dont know what school you were at or what happened but as far as our school goes, mate you haven't got a clue.
You run your mouth like you know me and my school and you dont know
diddly.
you seem to be generalising everything and when it doesn't fit in with your idea its wrong.
you say I dont know about every book we use guess what your right. I do know what my teachers use for our classes and it does fit with our student profile and EF guidelines for that profile. some of what you said maybe in other centers I dont know but we at XMH are doing our best to provide good education, support to our teachers and make money because we are also a business. Can we do better of course but at least we are trying and guess what we will be better because I will not stop until we are.
If you have any specific complaints at my center then bring them to me and I'll fix them. if you got a grievance with another Ef center then tell them. Do not put me or my center in the same mix because your wrong. Dead wrong. |
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Mister Al
Joined: 28 Jun 2004
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Hey EG,
Have you got nothing to say to anyone but Checkmate? Going on an' on an' on about an e-mail address. Firgawdsake!
To make a point, organisations, if they want to, are entitled to change the mode of their operations. Times change and people move on, although I'm not sure you quite understand that concept. It just seems to me that EF have worked out a nice deal with a 'fat cat' in Shenzhen and taken it from there. Fair enough, don't ya think? Checkmate and a few more DOSes (sic) as well as a lot of teachers and admin staff are in work. Again, fair enough, don't ya think?
What about yourself? Been doing much since Suzhou, except visiting your psychiatrist of course?
Hope you can rise to the bait of some other posters on this thread as well and give us all a bit of a laugh
Live your life
And beat your drum
Hope your smiling
When the angels come |
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englishgibson
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| Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: English gibson |
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You're not soooo busy after all....and you can type lots of words too
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Is paying our teachers 10,000RMB per month a rip off.Plus extra for placement tests. Paid work visa, airfare, medical. Emergency accommodation if needed. O/T pay. Transport assistance for our permanent teachers if they need it free.
All in our contract in black and white. |
Advertising again?
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All our school in shenzhen end in @ef-shenzhen.com
They standardised the name so it didnt need to be changed if the CM/DOS changed |
Sounds like a "new brand" of EF centers in China....surely with "Shenzhen standards"
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| I dont know what school you were at or what happened but as far as our school goes, mate you haven't got a clue. |
Let me try one clue....a couple of years back there was a "grand opening" of one EF Shenzhen center and no foreign FT or DOS showed up ...that wouldn't happen be your famous EF center, would it? I wonder what happened in that one, though I have a "clue".
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| You run your mouth like you know me and my school and you dont know diddly. |
Now, I haven't been this unfriendly with you, have I? If your mouth types, that's ok with me (type with anything you want )...well, it looks like i know the standard EF system and their academic product better than you Fiddly
Chinese don't come joking with the word "DEAD"
EF Directors of Studies have got tough jobs in China....their employers fiddle their own tunes and their head office in Shanghai is headless  ...speaking of "dragons" in China
And I am one with that EF experience in China
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cheers and beers to the hard working FTs in China
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englishgibson
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| Hope you can rise to the bait |
Sounds like you're on a "fishing trip" ...fishing forums?
Hell keep fishing Mister
Many will appreciate your fabulous EF contribution on
Cheers and beers to ya |
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cj750
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the only thing that English will rise to, is his level of incompetence.. |
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tw
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| Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| I really hope the mods would lock this thread SOON... |
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englishgibson
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What's it to ya TW??? Why you read it and why you "participate" on??? Have you got anything relevant to the EF English First topic??? Have you ever worked for them?
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| is his level of incompetence.. |
Have you got anything relevant to the EF English First and the EF DOS topic besides your flaming dear recruiter?
Mister Al, I not only know EF Suzhou, but a few other EF centers too I hope your "fishing" has a reason
And I hope the ones that have nothing relevant to say about EF English First or have never worked for them will not pollute here
Peace
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cheers and beers to the hard working FTs in China |
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