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Foreigners in Japan: can one make generalisations or....
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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sushi wrote:
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What would German and French people be doing in Japan


I've actually met a fair few of them...

Of the Germans and French I've met here so far:

- teaching (German and French) at an eikiawa or university
- teaching English (they are non-native speakers but that didn't stop them)
- studying (Japanese, or at a university)
- working for a company (like an engineering firm, or Nissan/Renault)
- running an import/export business
- doing market research
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Eva Pilot



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomadder wrote:
You'll be lucky to meet any decent foreigners in Japan. I've met a few through travel only. Ok well 1 in Japan but from my home province and wilth debatable keeping in touch skills.


Crying or Very sad I'm not decent?
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maya.the.bee



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

since i'm a newbie, i can't give any generalizations...but i did find these to be amusing
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What would German and French people be doing in Japan


That's funny- not everyone is an English teacher! There are loads of expats from different countries here working in finance, technology, IT etc.

In the last month I have met an Estonian guy, a Dutch guy, a Mexican guy and a Russian woman, all of whom work in Tokyo. One works for Citibank, one is a satellite engineer, another works in HR for an IT company, one is a headhunter.

The largest groups of foreigners in Japan are the often all-but-invisible Koreans and Chinese.

Very difficult to generalise about foreigners in Japan, although there are definitely some who fall into some of the categories people have mentioned.
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

luckyloser700 wrote:
D,
The most general description I can give you of foreigners in Japan is...
Extended drumroll...

Well, they're not Japanese.

Go ahead and laugh, spit, or whatever... This could be some of the most useful information you find here.

If you come to Japan and are looking for deeper relationships than just those of drinking buddies, why not make some with members of the indigenous population? If you don't have this goal in mind, why come to Japan? Or go and live in any foreign country for that matter. If it's just for money or to escape from your own country, you've got problems and advice is not worth giving to you. If you're truly interested in foreign cultures, dive in. Sure, a good foreign friend will keep you sane when you have troubles in your relations with Japanese people, but mostly keep them around for nights of drinking or some other mindless (necessary) entertainment.

Having said that, I've met some outstanding foreign individuals here in Japan and one or two may be lifelong friends.

There are all kinds of foreigners here; stop thinking about what they may be like and worry about what the Japanese are like. That will benefit you a lot more. My best friends are all Japanese and don't speak English. And my Japanese sucks. Says a lot.


Mate I am interested in other cultures else I woul have not lived abroad for the past 8 years. I am just not interested in Korean culture....
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kdynamic



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

maya.the.bee wrote:
since i'm a newbie, i can't give any generalizations...but i did find these to be amusing


That does cover a lot of people... but not all. There is also the lifer, who is married to a Japanese and gets a little stranger every year. By middle age they've totally lost the plot. And then there are the goody two shoes ALTs - wide-eyed and right out of school. They come knowing next to nothing about Japan but they are super eager and positive and involved in their communities and care about their students. I like them.

Anyway, most foriegners in Japan aren't westerners at all, so the conversation would be totally different if we were talking about it in real terms, instead of the limited view of just westerners and just english teachers. What crowd you encounter totally depends on who you are and what you seek out. If you don't speak Japanese and hang out with lots of English teachers, well, that'll be your exposure. If you branch out, you'll see how diverse the international population in Japanese really is.
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Squire22



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't even make general categorisations about my home country and its native people, let alone a group of multinationals in a foreign country.

Like most people have said, there are lots of different people from lots of different countries all hanging out here for different reasons and different jobs. I try to bear in mind that these people are not "representin'" as it were, their people, just themselves...
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sushi



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might also mention the Philipinos and the newbie chinese who have come to latch onto the almighty Yen to support their families at home. The Philipinos are employed in the hostess bars along with a lot of other westerners from eastern europe. I don't know about the newbie chinese that much, but I met a few hanging out around the entertainment part of Fukuhoka. They were offering cheap massages. Indonesian beauties and Philipino beauties were out trying to entice bodies in off the street to sing in Karaoke bars there as well.

Seems to be a lot of Africans here in Japan too. In Sendai there a few or sometimes a couple of big doods standing in the same locations in the mall every minute of every day of the week.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:17 am    Post subject: I don't know many teachers. Reply with quote

Dude, I just realized...

I don't know that many people who teach English. I know two JET participants, one American, the other Irish...After that, I know a few high school solo OC teachers, one British, one Australian and one Canadian. All of them are lovely guys with good humour. I know one British guy who works at a Shane eikaiwa, but no other eikaiwaites. High school and eikaiwa schedules don't coincide - me M-F 8-4, them working weekends and holidays 12-9 - so I don't meet many of them.

After that, my foreign friends are in IT and cellular tech, headhunting, banking, and consulting. A few students, too. Almost all European. All happy, thoughtful, fun people to hang with.

The foreign people in my chome are from China, Nepal, India and Bangladesh. I talk to them in passing. All of them work in the local restaurants or at research labs (there are a few big unis nearby).
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Ai



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Philipinos are employed in the hostess bars along with a lot of other westerners from eastern europe.


You make that sound as if all Philipinos are working at hostess bars. Which is definitely NOT TRUE. In fact that whole post is one big stereotype.
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canuck



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ai wrote:
Quote:
The Philipinos are employed in the hostess bars along with a lot of other westerners from eastern europe.


You make that sound as if all Philipinos are working at hostess bars. Which is definitely NOT TRUE. In fact that whole post is one big stereotype.


Filipinos hold many different jobs in Japan. Some work in hostess bars, some are welders, some are guitarists, some are business men, some are English teachers etc...

Canadians hold many different jobs in Japan. Some work in hostess bars, some are welders, some are guitarists, some are business men, some are English teachers etc...

Americans hold many different jobs in Japan. Some work in hostess bars, some are welders, some are guitarists, some are business men, some are English teachers etc...

Africans hold many different jobs in Japan. Some work in hostess bars, some are welders, some are guitarists, some are business men, some are English teachers etc...

Australians hold many different jobs in Japan. Some work in hostess bars, some are welders, some are guitarists, some are business men, some are English teachers etc...

etc.
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sushi



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK. Yes but, I think you'd be hard put to find an African welder in Japan.
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Mark



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deicide,

I think I understand what you're getting at. A friend of mine used to live in Seoul and I visited her for a week.

We went out in a couple of the party areas and, basically, you won't see that sort of thing in Japan. Frankly, I was pretty disgusted by what I saw in the foreigner bars/pubs in Seoul.

Your description of the foreigners in Korea pretty much matched what I saw. Not to say that everyone there is a drunken moron, or that everyone here is cool, but they are two different playing fields.

Don't worry, it's much better here.
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harmonious



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread has been hilarious Very Happy

But I must say that many of you have been giving the original poster a bit a of a hard time. Yes, your attitude and what you look for can dramatically change your experience. Yes, people can't be easily stereotyped and do not fit into derogatory boxes.

But after all has been said and done, there are a large number of people who spend too much time in bars and have trouble fitting into their own worlds and everyone knows -however a-politically expressed- what he/she is talking about.

To assume that someone who expresses these ideas can't find friends and is a hopeless and shallow person is just as silly as the idea of his stereotyping. You are stereotyping stereotypists! Is that a word ?Rolling Eyes
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Like a Rolling Stone



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

harmonious wrote:
But after all has been said and done, there are a large number of people who spend too much time in bars and have trouble fitting into their own worlds and everyone knows -however a-politically expressed- what he/she is talking about.


Confused ?

What are you talking about? Confused
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