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koba · Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 7

Also, I wasn't the one who went on the offensive here but you seem to want to join in the fun. I've got more than enough to hold you down. Whatever reason I have to leave MY job in MY life has nothing to do with you. Who are you to tell me what to do with my life?

You obviously see me as a scumbag for wanting something more for my life and my family. I see you the same light for judging someone you don't know or the shoes that I've walked, fool!

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

Koba you sound bitter above. I don't think you're reasonable there.
You've invited the discussion, so WHY?

koba · Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 7

7969,

"in your original post you said you're currently (stuck) on a one year contract that ends next summer, which would seem to indicate you've only been on the job for a month. then this: "

How was I trying to mislead? If you don't understand then I'm at fault for misleading?

I've been in China at the same school for TWO years. I came here on a full years contract. Then I signed for another year. For those who are having trouble following, that makes it TWO years After I finished those contracts I signed for another year, of which I just started. Yes, I have a 1 year contract that expires next summer. Yes, I've been here for 2 years.

GET IT OUT OF YOUR HEAD THAT I'M SOME NOOB WHO CAME HERE A MONTH AGO! Nowhere in my first post did I say that. How on earth did you get that from my first post? Where did I "suggest" this?

Bayden · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 988

cj750 · Joined: 27 Apr 2004 Posts: 3081 Location: Beijing

agree with Bayden.....

Steppenwolf · Joined: 30 Jul 2006 Posts: 1769

HunanForeignGuy · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Shanghai, PRC

To the original OP:

I can only apologize for the barrage of criticism that you have received here.
I deplore it. I abhor it.

And there is no excuse for it at all. Just put it down to petty minds. Never, ever seek advice on this Board. It's like locking yourself in a snake pit and expecting not to be bitten. That is just HOW low things have sunk around here.

And YET, I would encourage you to do a name search on all of those posters who have trashed you. You will see, as I have over time, that each of them has come here with his or her own respective gripes, often in great number, and has expected to be treated courteously. It's a very unusual event to be treated kindly around here, that I will say.

That being said, I agree with CJ. If you have a better opportunity, then take it. Seize the moment -- it may change your life. They do it here all the time.

And remember what Hillel wrote (and I am quoting only from memory) : that if you are not your own best friend, then who will be?

You owe the wannabes here nothing. You owe yourself and your future everything. Don't seek their approval -- you won't get it. And why would you even want it...

I wish you all the best in your endeavors. And then there is that Greek saying that when one door closes, a thousand more open.

Shan-Shan · Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 1074 Location: electric pastures

To the OP:

I agree with HNFG et al. Leaving a school isn't the equivalent of leading the admin. and students down the path of perdition to finally stop at a place where no future teacher will dare tread, and thus abandoning a hundred or so souls to eternal FTlessness in the English classroom

Were any of us really valued, wages and conditions would be better. But because there are hundreds of nets cast towards The Great Abroad which return full of wiggling and squirming FTs, very few of us are indispensable. Schools just reach into the mesh, and see what they can get. Very little effort on their part, and rarely is their any concern about how good the FT meat is going to taste.

A school can always find a replacement. When someone quits for a good reason (i.e. is able to find a form of employment that enriches his/her life and the life of their loved ones), such a person is acting rationally, intelligently, and, well, like a human who cares for their family's well being as well as his/her own.

I personally see nothing wrong with what you are doing. Most of us want to evolve past our present station. Doing so sometimes necessitates breaking contracts in the process. Not all good things wait for the end of December or June to materialize.

kev7161 · Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China

Bayden · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 988

koba · Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 7

englishgibson,

I can fully understand how that would sound as if I was looking for approval from people here. If I was unclear then it was my fault. What I meant was, if I quit this job, will there be repercussions? Is it OK to leave this job without getting burnt (like the employer not giving up that letter I mentioned before). Not, should I feel ashamed of myself for wanting to leave this job? Anyone who wants to quit their job is their own business and should remain that way.

Steppenwolf,

"your post really wasn't very clear"

I don't know how much more clear you really want it. I can dumb it down for you on a kindergarten level if you like. Maybe then you'd understand. I just asked what the process is. I'm not here to give you details of my life to you so you can dissect this into a generalized moral issue, Reverend.

"even if you refuse to acknowledge that"

I already mentioned "thanks in advance" for all the help in my original post. What do you want me to do? Respond back with every individual poster saying "I got your message and thanks".

"you have an anger management problem"

So says the person stepping in with the accusations. I came in here asking a simple question. Someone accused me of trying to cheat the system, of being unloyal...yaddy yaddy yadda. Then I rebut with my version of things to defend my decision. The next thing I get is some half-assed reply (from you) about me not doing the right thing and that we should all just koom-bi-ya our way to a better world.

What I can't stand are these touchy feely moralists that believe if all of us just do our little part then we can create shiny little rainbows and spread sunshine for everyone.

You attacked me. Yet when I reply back I'm the one with the "anger management problem?" I don't think so, Tim. If your not big enough to wear the man pants then step down, boy. It's obvious your still potty training and that's why you're chickening away. Expect to be treated as you treat others. THAT will serve you good to remember.

"Nevertheless, I wish you good luck!"

Pfft, eat it loser boy! I'm not done with you yet!

To the rest of the supportive people here, I'd like to thank you for the advice.

Cheers or Gam Bai and have a great holiday.

Bayden · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 988

Hey Koba.
The defensive attitude is totally unecessary. You've got some good advice here. No need to attack those who don't get it.
They don't understand.
Focus on those who do without drawing courage from them to attack those that don't.

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

Dear OP,

Bayden · Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 988

It's clear now why EG's so bitter.
Let it go man. The guys got a shot at a real job and you're saying he should give it up to honour a contract with some manky school.
Any Chinese person will fully understand why he would do.
In fact, if he does it the right way his boss will congratulate him and wish him good luck.
I said earlier that you've got to step on a few toes.
Chinese understand the concept of stepping on HEADS to get ahead.
if you can't get ahead, EG, don't begrudge those that have the chance.
Go for it Koba, step on toes, tread on heads, you've a chance to get ahead, take it.
People like E.G. won't be kissing your @ss in the future, they'll be too far back to reach.

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345