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		| wildnfree 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:44 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | I'm sorry wildnfree, but you don't read much modern literature do you? |  
 I usually 'consume' one book per week.
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		| Ben Round de Bloc 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Boring English |   |  
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	  | Oh by the way, according to many Mexicans, Americans and Canadians are cold, boring, unexciting people who kick their children out of their homes at 18 and force our old people to live in hospitals. We also do not care about our families because we do not spend every waking moment with them.   Yeah....I need some prespective.  Can anyone help me out, before I get jaded. |  How is that Mexican perspective of Americans and Canadians any better or worse than the perspective that many Americans and Canadians have about Mexicans and their culture?  I've heard many Americans and Canadians openly criticize Mexicans for allowing their adult children to continue living at home with them instead of letting them become independent; that Mexicans touch, hug, and kiss each other way too much; that Mexicans are always so dramatic about everything and spend way too much time with their families; and that Mexicans expect their  adult sons and daughters to give too much time and money to them when they get old.
 
 My advice: Instead of letting yourself become jaded from people criticizing your culture, try to educate them to the idea that cultures are different, and that being different doesn't make one culture better or worse than another one.
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		| PlayadelSoul 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Boring English |   |  
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				| [quote="Ben Round de Bloc My advice: Instead of letting yourself become jaded from people criticizing your culture, try to educate them to the idea that cultures are different, and that being different doesn't make one culture better or worse than another one.[/quote]
 
 I think when one tries to educate another on any issue outside of their expertise, they feed into the stereotype that Americans are always trying to push their ideas down the throats of others.  We teach English, not tolerance and acceptance.
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		| Ben Round de Bloc 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Boring English |   |  
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	  | Ben Round de Bloc wrote: |  
	  | My advice: Instead of letting yourself become jaded from people criticizing your culture, try to educate them to the idea that cultures are different, and that being different doesn't make one culture better or worse than another one.
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 I think when one tries to educate another on any issue outside of their expertise, they feed into the stereotype that Americans are always trying to push their ideas down the throats of others.  We teach English, not tolerance and acceptance.
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 If you do not teach tolerance and acceptance -- not by "trying to push [your] ideas down the throats of others" but by being a good role model -- then you have no business being a teacher, IMHO.
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		| ls650 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Boring English |   |  
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I agree.  Certainly the opposite is true; if you are intolerant and unaccepting, you are likely a terrible teacher! 
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	  | If you do not teach tolerance and acceptance then you have no business being a teacher, IMHO. |  |  | 
	
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		| hlamb 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Part of teaching English is teaching about the culture, since it's an integral part of the language. My students are full of questions about why Canadians do certain things and I try my best to explain the differences to them while mentioning that no one culture is better than another. Most seem to get it and the few who don't are probably intolerant or unaccepting of differences in other parts of their lives too. |  | 
	
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		| M@tt 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| why can't one culture be better than another? |  | 
	
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		| Guy Courchesne 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:01 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Because there isn't an objective tool to measure them by. |  | 
	
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		| PlayadelSoul 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Boring English |   |  
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	  | Ben Round de Bloc wrote: |  
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	  | Ben Round de Bloc wrote: |  
	  | My advice: Instead of letting yourself become jaded from people criticizing your culture, try to educate them to the idea that cultures are different, and that being different doesn't make one culture better or worse than another one.
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 I think when one tries to educate another on any issue outside of their expertise, they feed into the stereotype that Americans are always trying to push their ideas down the throats of others.  We teach English, not tolerance and acceptance.
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 If you do not teach tolerance and acceptance -- not by "trying to push [your] ideas down the throats of others" but by being a good role model -- then you have no business being a teacher, IMHO.
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 I agree with the idea that a teacher needs to be tolerant and accepting.  If they are not, they will not last long.  I do not, however,  buy into the idea that I need to "teach" these characteristics to my students by example or otherwise.   They are paying to learn English, not civics.  When I assume that my students should be "tolerant and accepting" like me, I am making an assumption that I am somebody to look up to.    Takes a pretty sizeable ego to believe that.
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		| ls650 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Boring English |   |  
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				| Then I must have a big ego, because I've always thought I'm worthy of looking up to. |  | 
	
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		| PlayadelSoul 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 10:22 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Do you consider yourself a role model or are is that you are in a position that requires a certain amount of responsibility?  I always thought that those looking up to a person were the ones who got to bestow the title "role model" on someone.  I don't know, maybe its just me. |  | 
	
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		| Ben Round de Bloc 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 2:54 am    Post subject: Re: Boring English |   |  
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	  | I agree with the idea that a teacher needs to be tolerant and accepting.  If they are not, they will not last long.  I do not, however,  buy into the idea that I need to "teach" these characteristics to my students by example or otherwise.   They are paying to learn English, not civics.  When I assume that my students should be "tolerant and accepting" like me, I am making an assumption that I am somebody to look up to.    Takes a pretty sizeable ego to believe that. |  You win, PlayadelSoul.  You can piss farther and longer than I can.
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		| M@tt 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:42 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| i think you're both arguing for the same thing. which is the team i'm not on, since i think there are some universal values to measure cultures by. common sense bears that out. superior culture: nazi germany or present-day norway? |  | 
	
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		| Guy Courchesne 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:56 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| It will always depend on who you ask.  The Nazis also had ideas about universal values. |  | 
	
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		| ontoit 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 4:56 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| A good party requires that everyone present do their best to appreciate everyone else's good points and politely ignore their shortcomings. 
 The tough part for any ex-pat is to be asked to choose which is better or to be told that this, that or the other thing about the culture he was raised in is somehow less acceptable.
 
 It's hard to not let it get to you, but I guess if we put our combined ex-pat experience together, we could come up with a principle or "zen and the art of ex-pating" to classify and master the experience.
 
 I, for one, believe that those who snipe at your culture from the back of the classroom have problems that have nothing to do with you or yours, akin, perhaps, to kicking the dog after a hard day at the office. I also feel that if you love where you come from as much as where you are, then these sharpshooters can never really draw a bead on you.
 
 Again, though, it's hard not to react to someone you sense is taking pot shots.
 
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