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thelmadatter · Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: whoa

At least one of those dead teachers was killed after he broke ranks with the strike. Hacked to death, if I remember correctly....

If the gun violence is all the fault of "right-wing militias," why is APPO throwing rocks at the PFP? Im not denying the existence of fanatics in polar opposite of APPO (its pretty well established that they killed the American camera guy), but the protesters are not giving out flowers and singing "Kum ba ya" either. Throwing rocks, grabbing people's cars and setting them on fire is violence too.

ls650 · Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia

There's a large collection of recent photos here: http://www.tomzap.com/OCT2006oaxaca-01.html

Guy Courchesne · Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City

delacosta · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 325 Location: zipolte beach

AMLO never had much influence in all of this, even at the start-beyond hoping to gain advantage in the last elction. He did get the presidential votes for Oaxaca but mostly as a result of the 'lesser of the 3 evils' vote.
Now that the election is over he has next to no political clout in Oaxaca. In fact during the APPO march in DF last week the APPO didn't allow him to march at the front with them.

THe APPO is not to be confused with the PRD. It 's a completely grass-roots movement that is composed of at least 200 previously marginalised Oaxacan social groups.

Of course the PRD is involved and trying to wrest some political advantage from this whole situation, but they aren't at all responsible for creating it. The communities involved , including a large number of indegenous groups, are almost as distrustful of the PRD as of the PRI. In Oaxaca the PRI and PRD exchange shirts as convenient.

As a friend of mine, who is quite politically involved, told me after the federal election-he voted for Obrador because quite simply he was the only one that even mentioned helping the poor, and was the only one even remotely trustworthy. When I asked him if he would be supporting Obrador now that the election was over he looked at me like I was mad-from now on in he would be supporting whomever would give him the most personal advantage, regardless of political party.

delacosta · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 325 Location: zipolte beach

This is all turning into a surreal three ring circus.
Fox get's denied his trip to Australia and VIetnam. Takes the time and money to go an national tv last night to express his hurt feelings.

Abascal suggests Ruiz resign if he can't solve the Oaxaca problem. Ruiz counters today that it is Abascal who should resign since he can't solve the problem.

Right now both of them are in a meeting.

The PRD is due to introduce another motion in the senate to remove Ruiz from government. For this to happen PAN would have to support the PRD motion. Is this possible? In Mexico anything is possible.

Maybe Guy's predicion of PAN working together with the PRD for the next 6 years will come true. Of course the PRD would have to do a complete ideological about face, abandon the left and embrace neoliberalism. Possible? Anything's po$$ible in Mexico.

And the following video clip in which Fox finally confesses that indeed he doesn't give a damn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uH15ezyKMM

Guy Courchesne · Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City

Caught that Fox clip on the radio. After everything that's been going on, I don't blame him, though it is un-statesmanlike.

For the PRD to work with other parties in Congress, particularly the PAN, they need only renounce violence as a tool (a nation built on laws, not passions), realize that a very large chunk of Mexico doesn't agree with them (an almost equal number of people), and that for real change that is neither a corporate haven nor a socialist Utopian dream, congressional haggling is the tool.

I might add too that the courts need additional independence. Not happening in this sexenio though...

Samantha · Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera

Delacosta, with your passion you really should get your citizenship and earn the right to vote! All that political passion is lost otherwise. I must watch different news channels than you here in Mexico judging from some of your comments.

thelmadatter · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: PRD/APPO mingling

I saw the protest in DF the Sunday after the feds sent in the PFP to Oaxaca. APPO and AMLO supporters were completely mixed. Add a few cars decorated to denounce the US and Halliburton, specifically, (tho I dont understand the connection) for a little spice.

I dont think AMLO orchestrated anything in Oaxaca, but there is a relationship of some kind there.

MELEE · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject:

Guy Courchesne · Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City

Which party does he now represent in the Senate?

MELEE · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject:

Gabino Cu� Monteagudo is a member of Convergencia

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabino_Cu%C3%A9_Monteagudo

delacosta · Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 325 Location: zipolte beach

Officially, PRD. But his political grandaddy or proteg� is Diadoro Carrasco who is a PAN deputy, who was previously a PRI governor in Oaxaca.
Politics in this state is quite incestuous, to say the least.
Many senators and deputies got in on Obrador's ticket in the last election, nation-wide.

If it weren't for AMLO the PRD would've been wiped off the map.
It remains to be seen if AMLO will run in 2012 with a new party. If the PRD completely turn their back on him they know that they will be hopeless in upcoming elections.

Although I have developed a passion for Mexican politics, I do try to take it all with a grain of salt. I don't honestly believe that changing political parties is going to solve any of mankind's problems in the long run. Good government is inevitabley followed by bad and so on and so on...

In my opinion bads been having a good running the mill for quite a while now. The US results show that hopefully some nicer guys will be in for a while...

Political discussion is all fun but:

"Humans cannot come to Truth through any organization, through any
creed, through any dogma, priest, or ritual, not through any
philosophic
knowledge or psychological technique. They have to find it through the
understanding of the contents of their own minds, through observation
and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection."
-J. Krishnamurti

MELEE · Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject:

Here a quote for those of you who are wondering how the APPO and AMLO are or aren't related:

thelmadatter · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: shootings

This from Mark in Mexico's blog (who, admittedly is no fan of APPO... see full article at http://markinmexico.blogspot.com/ )

MELEE · Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:52 pm Post subject:

I've stubled across "Mark In Mexico" in the past. It doesn't take much reading to question the source, it's an opinion blog. A Blog of a private English-Spanish Language School owner whose business has undoubtedly been hurt by all of this.