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STAY AWAY FROM JUBAIL INDUSTRIAL COLLEGE
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Queen of Sheba



Joined: 07 May 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

robertinarabia wrote:
It's becoming really one dimensional in the Saudi section and we, entombed as we are in Saudi Arabia, appreciate the right to express what we really think so long as it is broadly related to the profession or the circumstances in which teachers find themselves.
As for freedom entaling the right to discuss the bodies of local women, that's just sexual imperialism and it's disgusting. You guys dreaming of your next trip to Thailand while you are watching the Saudis plod dully through their books- have a heart. You know what, I have many faults, I am a patriot, I hate Al Qaeda, and I am no whining liberal, but I believe every life is sacred in god and everyone was born with an innate humanity and sense of dignity-even our enemies. The attitude of a lot of male TEFLER's in Saudi Arabia and evidently in other countries too is predatory and imperialist, a new and virulent form of imperialism, sexual imperialism perpetrated by the dregs of western society in poor countries. I have had to sit through lunch listening to the kind of guys Cleopatra is talking about, I smile a weak smile while my stomach is revolted. It's really one of the unsaid downsides of being in Saudi Arabia.


Yes, good observations, people seem to get either sicker or saner here. It is equally inhumane not to be able to write about the bizarre things we face in KSA, on internet forums. Issues like religion and politics are very relevant to teaching in KSA, after all religion is (or is not) a part of the curriculum, and it's directly connected to politics in Saudi. When students discuss it freely amongst themselves in class, yet we cant, you have to ask why. So long as nobody gets profane, I think we are all adult enough to cope with differences of opinion. If things continue to get zapped maybe we need to shift gears and find another forum to frequent, or create our own, so we can have intelligent discussions.
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AGATHA



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am nothing to do with JIA.I don't know where Robert is coming from.
Mr Jones,if you stand outside the Panda supermarket in Al Huwaylat you will clearly see a wastepipe towering above the locality from which flame and black smoke come.There are many factories in the location which emit
chemical vapors.If this vapor is harmless despite its smell ,Jubail must be the only place on the planet where the toxic discharges are all harmless.I only wish it was true.
Steve Jones acts as an unpaid PR man for the JIC even tho' the English Centre mafia got him fired at a weeks notice. Possibly he wants to be reinstated.Those guys did him a favour by rescuing him from here .Compared to the present recruiter he was the Angel of Light.
I am sorry to have given Robert the wrong impression.I have no links with
JIA and wish him and his colleagues good luck.
You have been warned .This is your final warning.Good luck guys.


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AGATHA



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:49 pm    Post subject: Re: STAY AWAY FROM JUBAIL INDUSTRIAL COLLEGE Reply with quote

And yet you stay. Being "conned by a recruiter" is reason to slowly poison yourself and then complain on an anonymous Internet forum? Rolling Eyes[/quote]
Good point Henry,but I can't broadcast my movement plans yet.
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robertinarabia



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know that's not a bad idea, to go somewhere else in protest against the senseless and unrestricted zapping and locking of threads. What was wrong about asking, JUST asking, if we can use web cams? Where's the harm in asking that? It really is spoiling this site which, by the way, I have been visiting for years and have never known it to be so uptight over so little or nothing.
I am sick of being dictated to and being told what I can and can't say- so long as it's not racist, anti any particular group or against anyone or any faith or creed, then we should be able to say whatever we like about where we are and what we do. But there's always someone to put the screws on isn't there, here we are, marooned in a wasteland, and someone has nothing better to do than track our every word. In the end the only ones who'll benefit are corrupt bosses who cheat their teachers.
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robertinarabia



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What dya mean Aggi? Who conned ya? Mr. Jones, he was straight up, he told everyone pretty much what it was and what it would be. If it wasn't done at the interview stage then it was made clear enough if you had done some research. Now if you were brought to JIC by Al Falak then of course you were conned, big time. But if it was Al Falak then you would be stateside already and pollution in Jubail would be the last thing on your mind. Everything that was done at the recuitment stage Aggi was done with your willing participation and consent. No need to go blaming people now is there. I think you're ok by the way, if you're really not JIA trying to wreck JIC's repuation- then all the best. There are better gigs than JIC in town. And there are worse, much worse too. Have you thought about BAE, they're great, they pay teachers 26,000 riyals a month, but it's really hard to work for them.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It really is spoiling this site which, by the way, I have been visiting for years and have never known it to be so uptight over so little or nothing


What gets me is the double standard. On this board, any discussion which deviate from 'educational' matters (strictly so defined) get zapped or locked, while on other boards, threads which look like they'd be more at home on the pages of "Loaded" or other tacky lads' mags, are allowed to run and run.

As I've said, I don't have a problem with this board being very strictly "ESL" only. Nor do I really care if some men feel the need to boast about their conquests here. But please, make it one way or the other. It's very frustrating to get into a discussion and then see it being locked just at the point it starts to get interesting.

And yes, I have told the mods my feelings on this matter.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very few threads are removed lately. It appears to me that once threads devolve in a repetitious rant of a few people posting divergent views while accusing the other of being liars... that is when they seem to get locked. Or when every time they post, they start a new thread - when there are already 2 or 3 threads on the same topic going. That is when the excess seems to get locked.

and... once they wander into discussions of how the MODs should do their job. Shocked

VS
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sledgehammer



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:54 pm    Post subject: Jubail stinks and so does the rest of Saudi Reply with quote

It really does Exclamation


I was teaching a private student that worked for AstraZeneca that sells the popular drug Symbicort for asthma sufferers. His sales patch was the Jubail area and he told me quite categorically that 50% of the children in that area below the age of 7 suffered from some form of respiratory disease. Of course, there will be those ignorant types that come on in here and refuse to believe the truth of a qualified pharmacist, my student that is, but hey - keep blinding yourselves to the truth.

Saudi really is a smelly old hole and it ain't getting any better despite the record oil receipts. The salaries offered just don't make it worthwhile staying coupled with the fact that you're a virtual prisoner to these ragheads with regards to what you can eat, drink, smoke, shag and say.

sorry for the rant - I've just had enough of this place after being here 2 years.

Less than 6 months to get out and counting, inshallah Razz
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robertinarabia



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh no Cleo, never invite them to make THOSE kind of boasts! What kind of glorious conquests were they anyhow, all they had to do was hand over a few hundred bhat. Quasimodo could have conquered in the places these kind of guys go to.
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robertinarabia



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So it didn't work out hey Sledge, I could have told ya that, could have told ya that right from the start back in 04. Now it's only a matter of months man, but each day, each minute, it gets that little bit tougher. No whores, not much booze, not much to do. Tick tick tick tock tick tock. Are you sure your brain and the poisons it seeks aren't going to turn into total mush over the next few months? Still dreamin of the Mexican whores? You want big money Sledge, but you gotta be tough to get it, ruthless even. You have to have the clarity of purpose and this begins with self annihilation. You're weak. Weak, do ya hear me boy? Moral weakness is the only sin in this world.
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furiousmilksheikali



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleopatra wrote:
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It really is spoiling this site which, by the way, I have been visiting for years and have never known it to be so uptight over so little or nothing


What gets me is the double standard. On this board, any discussion which deviate from 'educational' matters (strictly so defined) get zapped or locked, while on other boards, threads which look like they'd be more at home on the pages of "Loaded" or other tacky lads' mags, are allowed to run and run.

As I've said, I don't have a problem with this board being very strictly "ESL" only. Nor do I really care if some men feel the need to boast about their conquests here. But please, make it one way or the other. It's very frustrating to get into a discussion and then see it being locked just at the point it starts to get interesting.

And yes, I have told the mods my feelings on this matter.


I fully agree with you Cleopatra and have been more than frustrated at times to see an interesting thread get locked.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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t appears to me that once threads devolve in a repetitious rant of a few people posting divergent views while accusing the other of being liars... that is when they seem to get locked.


Take a look at threads which have been locked recently. By no means all of them are as you describe. I repeat: I have seen far, far worse on other country pages being allowed to go on and on. I really do think that this board is more 'civilised' than others here, not because of the moderation, but becuase most posters here seem relatively mature and intelligent. Seriously. Check out the Poland or China pages to see what I mean.
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