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Help me understand that China's not all that bad!
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Malsol



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool

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diana83709



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Location: Nanchong, Sichuan province, China

PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like what Malsol has said. This is also our second year here. We have made friends and our apartment has become our home. Even our 15 year old daughter is getting into the culture and has made friends.

Despite the fact my purse was stolen our 3rd week here and that my husband was seriously injured while riding his motorbike (NOT his fault), we are still here.

Living in this country has changed me. As long as we are here, I shall just embrace the experience of it - good and bad. It will be something to reflect back on when we do return back to the US for good.

Life is what you make it.
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adamsmith



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is always nice to be able to agree with other posters, and I find myself once again agreeing with Malsol (even though this is a rare occurence). It takes some adjustment on both the schools part and more importantly on the teachers part to life in China or, in fact, anywhere else you might chose to live outside of your own neck of the woods.
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andrew_gz



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's my third year at the same school. (I like my job)
And I have adapted.
As has management.
Like Malsol, I have probably changed the most.

I believe these changes have made be a better person, teacher, colleague and employee.
I have never hated this country. (erase that doubt Clark)
Sure, at times I have felt annoyed. (Back home too)

But the fact is I am enthralled.
Not a day goes by that I would like to spend anywhere else. (for now)
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj750 wrote:
If you can get along with a lazy slow witted lying populace..then China is the right place for you...

Sounds like most of the US of A and its ruling elite.

We just love generalisations, don't we?? Cool
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cj750



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We just love generalisations, don't we??


I agree...makes it easier...
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InTime



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being here can give us progress-oriented Westerner Culture-ists
a sense of the deep psycho-history
empowering
the relevance/equanimity-enhancing/corruption-maintaining
effect
of the Chinese truism
"Mei you banfa..."

When said/felt/known
Tao-ingly/deeply
Then there comes a twinkle in the eyes
and...
LIBERATION
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Shan-Shan



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
When said/felt/known
Tao-ingly/deeply
Then there comes a twinkle in the eyes
and...
LIBERATION



What is "Tao-ingly"? I sense that my copy of 道德经 will be of little assistance in this case.
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Steppenwolf



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malsol wrote:
I have worked at the same school for 2 years. I have adjusted to them, but more importantly, they have adjusted to me.

We have all changed a little, me more than them, which I think is right since this is their Country.

Life in China is what you make of it.


"Life is what YOU make of it" is a pearl of wisdom; China is hardly different from any other country I have been to in this respect. It brings out the survival instinct in some, the worst in others. It often brings out many new qualities, both negative and positive, in all of us.

I have clung to several jobs for consecutive periods of employment; my current post has been mine for three years.
I don't believe Chinese are heroes for living in such a country, nor am I a hero for choosing to live here either.

I vividly remember my frustrations in first-world countries before and I know what causes me frustration here; the causes are not the same though they are both man-made causes. I accept now that there is no Paradise on Earth because homo sapiens is too imperfect a perfectionist in any version he or she appears.
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"Life is what YOU make of it" is a pearl of wisdom; China is hardly different from any other country I have been to in this respect.

ohhh what a simple naive statement - because by their very nature people and places must differ � which vindicates the above statement only in the most basic manner - those with the right kind of "drive" for a specific situation seem to succeed (of course taking into account that factor of chance/"luck") - just read studies into what made a concentration camp survivor - those who made a life rather than giving it up (of course not ignoring those factors of chance that were beyond a persons control � the factors that allowed them to keep life).
But in a game where survival shouldn't be our number one consideration - after all we have chosen to come to China presumably not out of pressure to flee our own countries, but to improve our own life qualities (we are supposed to be professionals, not refugees or indeed charity workers - part of an ex-pat community) - then to accept the philosophy that we have to accept certain negative aspects of the FT job - low wages, poor employment conditions, broken contracts - in a stoical, stiff upper lip manner - makes us such an easy target for the unscrupulous employer - a sure fire route to bad life quality and individual unhappiness. Personal life anywhere is relative to the conditions that surround you - and all places are different - and China is so very different from what most of us are used to, especially in the field of being an employee - so thank god for those fascinating differences which we so often find in this place - that do make up for those countless every day irritations that occur for all of us - otherwise there would be very little point staying - unless of course you were stuck and China had become a dead end!!!
My recipe for making China a personal success � is to come to terms with that very unique China situation, enjoying "China good" while not ignoring "China bad" � since surely China life quality is a measure of both in its own special China way (of course with regard to each individuals own personal ways) and is not just a resigned test of endurance with regard to the negative, or some simpletons existence of just concentrating on a personal version of good while blanking out the bad.


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No Moss



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I drag out that "pro-con" list fairly often.

Pros:

High job satisfaction (I know, I'm lucky)
Nice apartment
Convenient access to Hong Kong/Macao
Great public transportation
Yuan increasing in value
Cheap living costs relative to earnings
Pretty Chinese women

Cons:

Don't really like cheap Chinese food
Annoying personal habits of the Chinese
Noise level
Filth/pollution
Lack of culture
I'm too lazy to learn the language
Boooorrrring
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Shan-Shan



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

China is more adhesive for FTs than Japan, Korea and Taiwan. Foreign friends in those countries tend to leave when they cease to enjoy their existence abroad (so what I've read and been told first hand). Many Western FTs in China, even after years of dissatisfaction and disappointment, tend to remain, praying before their plastic buddhas for that one chance to be a big boy or girl in the ESL scene.

This sticky reality is an excellent example of China's self advertising. "China Brand" is the label of choice for an increasing number of Westerners who want to a.) buy babies b.) learn a foreign language and c.) lead a delusional life.

Always something more, just out of sight. Sadly, it's just more of the same: another foreign supermarket, a prefabricated apartment building, or parking lot. China, master magician.

I've met a couple of foreigners in China consciously aiming to become famous (via radio and acting). The country is many things, one of them being the foreign reject basket. Many view China as their last shot at a meaningful life. Yet while all signals are indicating languishment and loss, more than a few laowai keep on hoping, amidst an ever increasing crowd, for their lucky break at becoming "known".

The world's wishing well.
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radiodaddy



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, when I started this message thread a few days ago, I didn't think I'd get such an enormous response!

Thanks to everyone for throwing in. Again, after reading about all of the (admittedly) depressing threads out there, I'm so glad so many of you took the time to tell me about all of the positives not only in your own lives but in China and FT life in general.

It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know that not only do most of you agree with me on the "make your life happy in your own time and in your own way", but I can see that most of you (if not all of you) are CONTENT in China and that makes life more bearable ... since I'm planning on finding a job for next term and I don't want to lose touch with the people who have positively affected my life in my time here.

Or maybe that warm and fuzzy feeling is the guobaorou .... oooohhhh .... DAMN YOU CHINA!!! You've done it to me all over again!!!

Thanks again to all of you!
-Radiodaddy
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vikdk



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The country is many things, one of them being the foreign reject basket.

Well as long as china hasn't consigned you to the reject basket - then attempting to ressurect your "rejected at home" life by using this country as a stepping stone to success - creating hope and something that at least smells of a good life - even if in reality a very difficult process in this country - can't be such a bad thing (reject bins - I�m actually more concerned China has become the ESL bargain basement). Where the bad realy rears its ugly head, is manipulation and exploition of foreigners by second or third parties, which is always the big danger in China - and often so difficult to spot, since those tell tale social/cultural/professional signs that would give the game away back home - so often strike you in such a different, difficult to interpret � obviously Chinese - way out here. A �living in China factor� that is not so easily appreciated until you go through your own personal China education.
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No Moss



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2006 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shan-Shan wrote:
China is more adhesive for FTs than Japan, Korea and Taiwan. Foreign friends in those countries tend to leave when they cease to enjoy their existence abroad (so what I've read and been told first hand). Many Western FTs in China, even after years of dissatisfaction and disappointment, tend to remain, praying before their plastic buddhas for that one chance to be a big boy or girl in the ESL scene.

This sticky reality is an excellent example of China's self advertising. "China Brand" is the label of choice for an increasing number of Westerners who want to a.) buy babies b.) learn a foreign language and c.) lead a delusional life.

Always something more, just out of sight. Sadly, it's just more of the same: another foreign supermarket, a prefabricated apartment building, or parking lot. China, master magician.

I've met a couple of foreigners in China consciously aiming to become famous (via radio and acting). The country is many things, one of them being the foreign reject basket. Many view China as their last shot at a meaningful life. Yet while all signals are indicating languishment and loss, more than a few laowai keep on hoping, amidst an ever increasing crowd, for their lucky break at becoming "known".

The world's wishing well.


Well, I'm not sure it's any more adhesive than any other place. I've known people in Taiwan who have been there for years, and I mean decades.

And I have no idea what you mean by "buying babies".

But I would agree that China's appeal is hard to define. A great line in "The Great Gatsby" refers to Gatsy's dream as "a vision of vast, vulgar, and meretricious beauty."

Sounds about right.
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