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Kent F. Kruhoeffer



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For money and landing a job, I say Korea too. Taiwan for teaching kids, I hear. In Japan, you need connections.
Good luck to you!
Enjoy,
s
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taikibansei



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
In Japan, you need connections.
Good luck to you!
Enjoy,
s


Rolling Eyes

I've never needed connections for any Japanese position.

What job seekers need to keep in mind is the wide variety of university positions in this country. You have the glorified "eikaiwa" positions where any Masters-toting warm body will do. You have the so-called "real" EFL positions which want an MA/PhD Tesol/Applied Linguistics, multiple years of teaching experience and (ideally) a publication or two. And you have the much rarer--but prized--specialist positions, usually found just in the sciences, but sometimes in literature, writing, poli science, etc. The competition for these last positions is usually very intense--you compete with both Japanese and foreign applicants--but the jobs do exist and foreigners can get them. (Extensive publications, teaching experience, advanced Japanese language ability, and at least the Masters are necessary.)

Assuming he has the Masters, the OP may be eligible for the first type of positions; however, thanks to dispatch companies like Westgate, they are few and far between now. Moreover, they can be some of the more frustrating positions around--unless being ostracized in your own department (e.g., many schools won't allow this class of faculty to attend meetings) and/or teaching "English conversation" to 40-70 beginners (in one class) is your thing. Hence, the OP would do better to build up his qualifications (e.g., get an MA TESOL) and bank account while in Korea and try for the better Japanese positions later.
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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kent F. Kruhoeffer wrote:
...Thailand is cheaper, but Korea will be easier when it comes to landing a job.

i.e., I don't think your qualifications will cut it for the international schools

unless you're sitting secretly on a teaching credential of some kind....

I saved between $800 ~ $1,000 per month when I was in Korea,

which is about equal to my monthly salary here in Thailand.


Many people teach in Korea, save $$$ and then travel to

more desirable locations (like Thailand) on holiday;

a good way to have your cake and eat it too.


If I were making $2000-2500/mo with near zero expenses, I don't see why I couldn't save $1500-2000/mo. Perhaps you were living extravagantly?

Also, what type of teaching certificate do they want, a college degree or will a TEFL/TESOL certificate do?
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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:23 am    Post subject: Korean uni job Reply with quote

OK, so can someone recommend a good Korean uni job now? Is there a resource where I can look specifically for that? It gets tedious looking thru all the ones listed on Dave's.

Is there someone here teaching at one? If so, I'd really like to hear from you either here or privately.

Thanks.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:34 am    Post subject: Re: Korean uni job Reply with quote

jodemas2 wrote:
OK, so can someone recommend a good Korean uni job now? Is there a resource where I can look specifically for that? It gets tedious looking thru all the ones listed on Dave's.

Is there someone here teaching at one? If so, I'd really like to hear from you either here or privately.

Thanks.


Go to the Korean forum, separate registration.
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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Each to their own, but does anybody else think that there is something fishy about the OP? I mean he claims to have an "advanced medical degree" and yet doesn't know what an international school is. And how many people with this such degree end up in Mexico and are obviously looking for a country where he can save some money? Doubt very much that these types of grads cant earn much better money back home.
OP please dont take it personally, I dont know you from Adam and it's only a message board after all. I'm only amusing myself on one of my many days off.
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He might not be a physician/medical doctor. He might have an "advanced degree" in biochemistry or genetics or anatomy or even public health. Such people often like to consider themselves in the "medical" field. Wink
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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidjameson wrote:
Each to their own, but does anybody else think that there is something fishy about the OP? ...OP please dont take it personally, I dont know you from Adam and it's only a message board after all. I'm only amusing myself on one of my many days off.

Gee, I didn't know I had to post my entire life story. I find it fishy that, as as language teacher, you don't know that people quite often speak imprecisely and that some people use the term "international school" to mean any school located abroad so I just wanted to be sure we are comparing apples and apples. Then, I never said "advanced medical degree." I first said "advanced," then later specified "medical." As the saying goes, "stuff happens." I mean, look at Saddam Hussein: one day you are a world leader, the next day you're waiting to hang.

I hope that is enough clarification for you and I do very much appreciate your disclaimer. What I'd also really appreciate now is if we could be friends and you could share some of your wonderful, wisening experiences with me in this area. Thanks, and continue enjoying your day off.


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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good answer Smile

OK, here is how it is. If you are thinking short term, then Korea is really the best bet. They give all the support stuff you mentioned, the exchange rate is good and there are many people earning quick easy cash with a very high savings potential due to the low living costs.

Taiwan may not be far behind, but I dont know of the situation there so dont feel like I can comment.

Japan has become pretty poor for the short termers. Hourly rates are now lower than korea, good jobs very hard to come by, the exchange rate sucks and its more expensive, though not as high as it used to be. Savings potential has defintely decreased to fairly modest levels.

So if you have a one to three year plan I would choose Korea if money were my main concern. All three would give you a nice interesting experience and a good social life and women if thats what youre looking for.

BUT if you are thinking longer term then Japan may still be the best. Because although the entry level positions are poor and the cost of living higher, if you manage to get into the university posistions or even full time direct hire from high schools you then start to earn much better money, therefore saving more. And Japan is a first world country. The streets are clean, the people well mannered, the girls modern thinking etc. To get the good jobs needs effort, quals and/or luck but doable.

Hope that helps.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what specifically is/are your degree/s?
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sidjameson wrote:
Good answer Smile

OK, here is how it is. If you are thinking short term, then Korea is really the best bet. They give all the support stuff you mentioned, the exchange rate is good and there are many people earning quick easy cash with a very high savings potential due to the low living costs.

Taiwan may not be far behind, but I dont know of the situation there so dont feel like I can comment.

Japan has become pretty poor for the short termers. Hourly rates are now lower than korea, good jobs very hard to come by, the exchange rate sucks and its more expensive, though not as high as it used to be. Savings potential has defintely decreased to fairly modest levels.

So if you have a one to three year plan I would choose Korea if money were my main concern. All three would give you a nice interesting experience and a good social life and women if thats what youre looking for.

BUT if you are thinking longer term then Japan may still be the best. Because although the entry level positions are poor and the cost of living higher, if you manage to get into the university posistions or even full time direct hire from high schools you then start to earn much better money, therefore saving more. And Japan is a first world country. The streets are clean, the people well mannered, the girls modern thinking etc. To get the good jobs needs effort, quals and/or luck but doable.

Hope that helps.


I'd say this is a good synopsis.
Japan has a much higher quality of life than Korea, but there may be more potential to making money than in Japan. My info is pretty dated, but when I was there, much of the money I earned was not in teaching. I wrote a book, did some editing, and did voice recording. Korea was a place for entrepreneurs, maybe still is...
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jodemas2



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, thanks for all your input and for confirming what I thought at the beginning. Korea is the best bet for starters (at least short-term). It lloks like I'll head there.

But just for general info, what are the salaries like in Russia, and what other considerations are important?
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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OK, so can someone recommend a good Korean uni job now? Is there a resource where I can look specifically for that? It gets tedious looking thru all the ones listed on Dave's.

Is there someone here teaching at one? If so, I'd really like to hear from you either here or privately.


If you want to have any chance of landing a university job in Korea you better be in Korea during the interviewing process. I am sure that there are exceptions but it seems that Korean universities usually want to hire people in the country who they can meet face to face. I worked at one of the lowest paid universities in Korea and they don't consider canidates from abroad unless they cannot get anyone else. I did get a uni job from abroad but I don't think most unis prefer to do that.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the record, the best jobs DO NOT go to those without a lot of experience and education. You also have to be in-country for most of them. This industry is like all the others, you have to work your way up the ladder and do the slog work at the beginning. That is the problem when newbies come on here and listen to those with 10-15 years experience talk about our working conditions. These jobs don't fall in our laps.
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