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eslstudies
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| But I certainly wouldn't discount public schools. Have read some good things (sexual massages, etc.). Public schools are reliable when it comes to getting paid. |
Umm, I haven't worked in a public school yet that does this kind of massage: or any kind.
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| because the idea of teaching adults is somewhat more appealing than teaching children. |
A word of warning. East Asian students, be they tertiary or kindy, are essentially children. They just act out in different ways.
Keep kicking tyres Thel. Don't rule China out of your [n.b. not you're] scenario. As close as you'll get to a paid holiday........if you choose wisely. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| Thel, I enjoy Korea. The pay is good and working at a university allows me to live the life that I want. I study Korean every day. Well except during this month since I am working an English camp and cannot escape English. I also travel twice a year or more, so no complaints. I am 27 and want to see the world. I have no idea whether I will return to the United States or not. I may return to eventually pursue a PhD in education. |
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Thel
Joined: 24 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| But I certainly wouldn't discount public schools. Have read some good things (sexual massages, etc.). Public schools are reliable when it comes to getting paid. |
Umm, I haven't worked in a public school yet that does this kind of massage: or any kind.
You haven't gone to the right schools, then. Some major slap and tickle wheedling its way into Asia's public school system. Heresay, but I stand by it.
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| because the idea of teaching adults is somewhat more appealing than teaching children. |
A word of warning. East Asian students, be they tertiary or kindy, are essentially children. They just act out in different ways.
That's a provocative statement. Having no experience at all to confirm or deny, I'll keep this in mind. I thought that university students might be a little more serious.
Keep kicking tyres Thel. Don't rule China out of your [n.b. not you're] scenario. As close as you'll get to a paid holiday........if you choose wisely. |
You know, I should be irked at your correcting my typo, but I'm sad to say I have those same instincts and have been at the receiving end of many a mad mis-speller's ire. I've developed a petty pet theory, and it revolves around the word "definitely." Used to to point of obsolescence, "definitely" is like a yardstick of one's basic spelling skills. From "definatly" to "defanitly," there appears to be some kind of term-specific dyslexia going on here. Teachers, mumblers, lawyers and freaks--everyone's susceptible.
There are two reasons that we were against China: pay and pollution. While I get that the pay offers a (comfortable?) living there, I think we'd be hard pressed to scrounge enough funds for travel or emergencies or what have you. And I hear the air's carbon dioxide; the water's sludgy; and the soil's not quite like soil. I've heard that Seoul is bad smog-wise, but--as per a poster's suggestion--we would probably go to the country.
Korea appears to offer an easier path for beginners.
Thanks for the feedback,
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Thel
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| Thel, I enjoy Korea. The pay is good and working at a university allows me to live the life that I want. I study Korean every day. Well except during this month since I am working an English camp and cannot escape English. I also travel twice a year or more, so no complaints. I am 27 and want to see the world. I have no idea whether I will return to the United States or not. I may return to eventually pursue a PhD in education. |
That's why we chose Korea, JZer--pay. I imagine that's also why it seems like a hugely popular destiny for future TEFLers. The ME offers a good salary, too, but it's standards exceed my creds., now and in the future (i.e, I'm not really interested in getting a lingustics MA). Ditto Japan.
Hey, glad to hear you're enjoying life out there. We're looking very forward to getting there ourselves. I'm going to take the time to build on my forthcoming B.A, but somedays the temptation to just leave is great.
Cheers,
Thel |
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eslstudies
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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Thel, you need some practice on the quote function.
ESL/EFL students, as a breed, love picking up teacher errors. We all make them, but the fewer the better in terms of maintaining "face". And your/you're wasn't a spelling error. You spelled it perfectly. |
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Thel
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: |
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Thel, you need some practice on the quote function.
ESL/EFL students, as a breed, love picking up teacher errors. We all make them, but the fewer the better in terms of maintaining "face". And your/you're wasn't a spelling error. You spelled it perfectly. |
You got me on the quote function. But I disagree that using "you're" in place of "your" wasn't a spelling error given that my intention was to write "your." The fact that "you're" is a word is not the issue. Within the context of the sentence, the word was misspelled. Maybe I'm wrong. If so, how would you describe the error, assuming that you believe I understand the difference between "your" and "you're"?
Funny you should mention the losing face thing. I was just having a conversation with a buddy of mine about this and we both agreed that those unwilling to risk seeming foolish tend not to learn as much as quickly as those terrified of doing so. But while this seems to make sense, from a cultural perspective the evidence doesn't back it up. I'm thinking of Japan and England, societies not ill-equipped in the know-how department, yet societies also anal about being in the wrong. A conundrum.
In any case, I don't mind if my mistakes are pointed out. What would I be protecting but my own sloppiness or ignorance, right?
Yrs,
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| The fact that "you're" is a word is not the issue. Within the context of the sentence, the word was misspelled. Maybe I'm wrong. If so, how would you describe the error, assuming that you believe I understand the difference between "your" and "you're"? |
The word was not misspelled. This is called a usage error. It is the same as using their, when you are suppose to use there. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| http://wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html |
If you want to see some common usage errors, check out this site. |
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Thel
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| The fact that "you're" is a word is not the issue. Within the context of the sentence, the word was misspelled. Maybe I'm wrong. If so, how would you describe the error, assuming that you believe I understand the difference between "your" and "you're"? |
The word was not misspelled. This is called a usage error. It is the same as using their, when you are suppose to use there. |
Thanks, JZer. I didn't know the appropriate phrase. Live and learn 
Thel |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| Also, if you stay in a country for a while, you might end up marrying someone from there and could then acquire citizenship. For example, in Peru after being a resident and married for two years you can be a citizen |
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spiral78
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| I think Thel's a married man already.... |
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Thel
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 8:39 am Post subject: |
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| Also, if you stay in a country for a while, you might end up marrying someone from there and could then acquire citizenship. For example, in Peru after being a resident and married for two years you can be a citizen |
Hi, naturegirl321:
spiral78 is correct in saying that I'm married. However, I have not ruled out polygamy as a means to attaining citizenship, assuming that it is legal in South Korea. I mean, they're a loose, liberal bunch, right?
It's an interesting topic, though. I wonder how many teachers eventually marry a local. I've read of several here at Dave's. Fascinating to know the stats. Within the poorer countries, I imagine there exists this element of suspicion on the teacher's behalf (male or female) regarding a potential mate. Does s/he really love me for who I am (a la Western Hallmark blah blah), or is it because I make seventy-five thousand times a local's salary? I also imagine some teachers might not care, or are even aware of some material motivation on behalf of the local, but thrive off the sense of power this thereby entails. I wonder where South Korea sits in this scenario. Relative to much of the globe, they're/their/there fairly wealthy, but I've it's been insinuated somewhere in this forum that TEFL Sugar Daddies/Mommies are hot property in all parts of Asia minus Japan.
Well, some meagre food for thought.
Thanks for the comment.
Yrs,
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naturegirl321
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| I know at the beginning I was suspicious that he might want to marry for the visa, especially since a friend had just had her marriage annuled after three months because the guy just wanted to visa. But there-s also the other stereotype, that the foreigner is only in the relationship for sex. So I guess things can work both ways, you just need good judgement. |
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Thel
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I know at the beginning I was suspicious that he might want to marry for the visa, especially since a friend had just had her marriage annuled after three months because the guy just wanted to visa. But there-s also the other stereotype, that the foreigner is only in the relationship for sex. So I guess things can work both ways, you just need good judgement. |
Good judgement's the most difficult thing to have when hormones estrange brain from body. The continual collision of loins--an expression I've read--produces something akin to comma, except that you can move about. Even when the lust settles, mixed messages confuse one. When being addressed by the lover, you start to hear, "White Teacher-Master with Great Salary, White Teacher-Master with Great Salary, where for art thou? White Teacher-Master with Great Salary." My own wife is from Denmark--hardly a poor country--, and even then, during the very, very early stages of our relationship, I had some nagging doubt that she wanted me for my country (as if it's better here). Bit of a crap, shoot, I guess. Anyway, there's a lot of hypocrisy about the love-for-me/love-for-money divide. I mean, it's considered normal for a North American woman (or man) to be find being a doctor or some other high-paying job a desirable quality in a prospective mate, but there's something mildly sleazy about an impecunious Asian girl being attracted to someone because he, relative to other occupations in the country, has a high-paying job. Seems there are two intersecting elements to this in the TEFL world: 1. women are more likely to "marry for money" simply because the reality of patriarchy means that men are usually making more; 2. this line gets blurred within an international context, because N.A women generally make more than Asian women and men, so then patriarchy becomes replaced or superseded by, what?, post-colonialism; the white woman in her relationship with the Asian male becomes like the N.A man in his relationship with the N.A woman.
But that's a digression. My take is that a person marrying another for a visa alone, whether TEFLer or immigrant to N.A, is doing a serious disservice to the visa-granter, unless the visa-granter's fully aware of the motivation and agrees. Then it's all good.
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Thel
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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I said, "...produces something akin to comma,..."  Just preempting eslstudies here
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