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[laughing_magpie06]

I did all except for point 3 cos I thought if he is an indo citizen no immigration matters were necessary. Hope there will ne no problems.
None of this was made clear after the new rules were put in place. My boy has a birth certificate, local and my citizenship too.

[laughing_magpie06]

Only today we enquired about all the steps that gurustip mentioned in his last post. Everybody from the Human rights department in Cawang and Immigration insist that all my baby needs is a passport. He is officially an Indonesian citizen from the moment he is born and has a birth certificate.

Hopefully noone else has any problems.

[GuruStip]

Good news, Magpie.

The passport was done for ours at the immigration office, and took no time with an agent helping. I had to wear a big blue bib and hold the baby upright and still to get a decent photo!

[ReveurGAM]

As has already been said, the answer is YES, the laws are in place and operational. Do NOT go to immigration, they'll just give you a run around!

You must go to the KANTOR WILAYAH DEP. HUKUM DAN HAK ASASI MANUSIA DKI JAKARTA. The cost without an agent is Rp 650,000 and it takes about 6 months to process. There may be incidental fees. Go there with copies of everything (birth certificates, marriage certificates, passports, work permits, etc.) so you don't have to pay for the copying fees.

My wife and friends of ours are doing it and I met a student's mom who started sooner than we did. In a few months, your child will be a dual citizen!

Of course, you'll need an Indonesian passport if you want to have your child leave the country as an Indonesian. When entering and leaving countries, you can choose which passport to present for your child.

[xsbir]

[ezekiel]

The system here (it's even worse in North Sumatera) is so convoluted and archaic that I gave up in the end..our two children are WNI (Indonesian citizens) because my wife and I are not married in Civil Law and they will remain that way until the RI govenment get their act together, or we decide to go to Europe and I have to face whatever (probably monetary) consequences there may be..the inept disorganisation and lack of standardization has forced myself and many others to take this less favorable but easier path..sad really.

salam

[laughing_magpie06]

I have the two passports for my son but after reading xsbir's comment, will probably live to regret it. It cost us over a million rupiahs but my concern was for the time he would leave the country. Do they need a visa of any kind if they travel on a foreign passport? In most countries you would be considered undocumented if trying to leave on a foreign passport with no other documents.

[xsbir]

The dual citizens don't need any visas or anything to leave or come back to Indonesia. Your son should have a special stamp in his foreign passport, plus two supporting documents. Make sure he travels with those documents. The immigration puts a special stamp on top of the exit stamp and the same one on the departure/arrival card. This stamp refers to the law which makes the bearer a temporary dual citizen. So no worries, mate. The Indonesian passport is basically a redundancy for them, and an expensive one.

[GuruStip]

I hope this doesn't add more confusion to the topic...

Xsbir's children were born before the law, and the process you are describing seems to be the one for changing from foreign status to dual nationality.

Magpie's (and my own) child were born after the law was passed, so the first time we registered, the child was already party to the new laws.

In our child's Indonesian passport, there is a stamp (I think the same one to which xsbir refers) - which states "Pemegang passpor ini adalah subjek pasal 4 huruf c, huruf d, huruf h, huruf i dan pasal 5 undang-undang nomor 12 tahun 2006 tentang kewarganegaraan republik Indonsia. Kepala Kantor Immigrasi."

In English:
"The holder of this passport is subject to clause 4 part c, d, h, i and clause 5 of law 12 passed in 2006, with regards to citizenship of Indonesia."

The law is written out here:

http://www.djpp.depkumham.go.id/inc/buka.php?d=2000+6&f=uu12-2006bt.htm


Based on this and information from the people at Bandung Immigration, with our baby born after the law was passed, we need to travel on the foreign passport, bringing the Indonesian one, with this stamp, as proof of dual nationality. Apart from the birth certificate, we have no other supporting documents (I think the Indo passport serves this purpose).

If this seems wildly wrong, please correct me.

[xsbir]

You seem to be right on with this, Gurustip. So in a way, those children born before the law was passed are better off because they won't need Indonesian passports. The two documents they have won't expire every 5 years.