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mlomker



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AnnMouse wrote:
Sorry but you said the job was part time, then you said it was 28 hours a week. Is this contact hours?


Yeah, that sounds like a full-time job to me. It sounds like the OP plans to just take a year off and then go back to school (more of a paid vacation than starting a career).

Korea requires a degree and you're supposed to have one for Vietnam. The Nova program sounds the most sensible to me since it's totally legal. You can jump into one of those other adventures once you graduate and can go with your degree in hand.

ChuckECheese wrote:
I charge 50,000 won ($53)/hour. So just private lesson fees alone, I make well over $2000 per month.


That's really amazing to me. Is this typical or did you find an especially good side gig? I'd have to live like a bum to save that kind of money here in the States.
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mlomker wrote:


ChuckECheese wrote:
I charge 50,000 won ($53)/hour. So just private lesson fees alone, I make well over $2000 per month.


That's really amazing to me. Is this typical or did you find an especially good side gig? I'd have to live like a bum to save that kind of money here in the States.


The rate of 50,000 won is typical. If you're doing privates for test prep, you can get 100,000 won ($105) per hour very easily. The hours are up to you. If you want to do more, you can and if you want to do less, you can.
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harold



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chuck,

are you in seoul? i did a year in busan and while the base salary is pretty standard across the country, and i saved a load of cash, we didn't exactly find privates falling out of the sky. there were a load of hagwans around the beach neighborhood where i lived, and we also had these wankers advertising for fifteen and twenty an hour. a friend of mine in daegu found them often, but i hear in seoul you can find the gigs you're talking about. so, if you don't mind, in which korean city are test prep privates for a hundred an hour so easily found?
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

harold wrote:
chuck,

are you in seoul? i did a year in busan and while the base salary is pretty standard across the country, and i saved a load of cash, we didn't exactly find privates falling out of the sky. there were a load of hagwans around the beach neighborhood where i lived, and we also had these *beep* advertising for fifteen and twenty an hour. a friend of mine in daegu found them often, but i hear in seoul you can find the gigs you're talking about. so, if you don't mind, in which korean city are test prep privates for a hundred an hour so easily found?


Yep, my privates are in Seoul. I don't advertise. I got my privates through word of mouth so never needed any advertising(It would be too risky to advertise since it's illegal). If you're good and they like you, people naturally seek you out. I am currently only charging 50,000 won/hour but considering uping the rate to nearly 100,000/hour after a year.
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sethness



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: 28 hours = part time at Nova Reply with quote

AnnMouse, for almost every OTHER English school in Japan, 25 contact hours per week is full time. However, Nova is notorious for exploiting fresh-off-the-boat newbies-- this includes 40 contact hours per week, 8 hours a day.

The justification for this is that other schools typically require some office hours or lesson-planning duties, whereas Nova is so modular/standardized that teachers can literally wait until the last minute, look at a set of students' records, and choose a modular lesson that none present have done before.

If the OP has a 4-year degree, I'd strongly recommend COMING to Japan on Nova's work visa, but finding an alternative employer once he/she is here. So many Nova teachers do this that their 6-month average turnover period is well known. (Switching employers is OK with the government, as long as there's no gap in one's employment.)

As for private students-- Nova is pretty adamant about not permitting contact with students outside the school, and also does not permit outside employment. (Both of these rules are fairly popular with other schools as well.) Also, typical Nova teachers live with 1 or 2 OTHER Nova teachers, so running side-job classes from one's apartment would be a hard secret to keep-- as an alternative, one might be able to travel to the students' homes or make arrangements to rent a lesson-room at a shukaisho.
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davechile



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChuckECheese wrote:
Well, this is how it usually works in Vietnam.

Unless you�re working for some well known legit (non-Vietnamese owned and operated) international schools like British International or SSIS which pays you decent salary with all the perks and benefits, you will end up working for some language schools on a hourly basis which pays you anywhere from $12 (or even less) to $20 (which is very rare) with little or no benefits. And these language school jobs are part-time gigs so you�ll end up working for two or even three school juggling various schedules to work full-time hours to make $1000 - $1500/month. And it really sucks to be running around from school to another school in the infamous traffic, the heat, and the rain (during rainy season) of Vietnam. I�ve seen many people doing it.

And yes, as some one has said, you can lead a decent life in Vietnam with $500-$700 per month if you�re not a heavy drinker and end up saving $500 - $1000 which isn�t a lot of money in my opinion. It�s considered a lot of money only if you are going to live in Vietnam permanently.

I am now teaching in Korea. I have signed one year contract with school currently teaching only 20 hours per week on fixed schedule of 4 p.m. � 8 p.m. (M-F) even though I agreed to teach maximum of 30 hours at monthly salary of 2.5 million won (over $2600) with all the perks and benefits which includes free fully furnished single apartment (worth 300,000 won = over $300), severance pay at the end of the contract period which is equal to one extra month of salary, pension which I contribute 50% and my employer 50% and I will be able to claim and get 100% of my pension contribution when I leave Korea, medical insurance, 3 weeks of vacation, 3 days of sick leave, all paid national holidays. And the income tax is very low at around 2%.

During afternoons, I teach 2 hours of private lessons (It is illegal to teach private lessons in Korea, but everyone do it) everyday totaling 10 hours a week. I charge 50,000 won ($53)/hour. So just private lesson fees alone, I make well over $2000 per month.

So I net over $4500 per month. And the food and selection of it in Korea is much much better than in Vietnam in my opinion. My total monthly expense runs around $1500. I usually spend approximately $1000 on food and beverages and $500 on travel and entertainment for the weekends. So I end up saving over around $3000 per month. I have been in Korea for over 5 months and I have saved nearly $15,000 which is about the same amount of money that I saved while working in Vietnam for over two years which is very laughable.

I have never worked in Japan but I suspect that pay and benefits are comparable to Korea, if not better.

Well, bottom line is that you do the math and figure out which is better working in Vietnam or Korea/Japan.


If you don't mind me asking. What are your qualifications to get such a sweet gig? 5 years teach....I am green with envy Twisted Evil Very Happy
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ghost



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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 5:49 am    Post subject: oh my! Reply with quote

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And the food and selection of it in Korea is much much better than in Vietnam in my opinion.


You have got to be joking right!

The food in Vietnam is 1000 times better than Korea - and I invite you to poll 10 people and of those ten I would say all of them would agree that Vietnamese food is among the best and tastiest in the world.

In Korea - healthy stuff - kimchi, rice and assorted beanstalk type vegetables - but the same stuff every day in Korea - not very tasty and frankly unappealing.

Why do you think that Korean restaurants are such a rarity overseas? simply because their food (Korean) is neither very tasty or appealing to anyone aside from Koreans.


Ghost in Korea (certainly not here for the culinary experience, as I eat most of my food in my apartment)
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Galileo



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is also a much better selection of international restaurants in Vietnam.
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ChuckECheese



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Galileo wrote:
There is also a much better selection of international restaurants in Vietnam.


Maybe in HCM city or Hanoi in certain touristic areas, but generally I would have to diagree.
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laconic



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject: Re: oh my! Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
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And the food and selection of it in Korea is much much better than in Vietnam in my opinion.


You have got to be joking right!

The food in Vietnam is 1000 times better than Korea - and I invite you to poll 10 people and of those ten I would say all of them would agree that Vietnamese food is among the best and tastiest in the world.

In Korea - healthy stuff - kimchi, rice and assorted beanstalk type vegetables - but the same stuff every day in Korea - not very tasty and frankly unappealing.

Why do you think that Korean restaurants are such a rarity overseas? simply because their food (Korean) is neither very tasty or appealing to anyone aside from Koreans.

Ghost in Korea (certainly not here for the culinary experience, as I eat most of my food in my apartment)


Better not include me in your poll because I would definitely screw it up for you.

As for Korean restaurants being a "rarity overseas," be sure and check out the countless Korean restaurants in HCMC when you are next there. Passing through Bangkok and got a hankering for Korean food, there are so many Korean restaurants you won't know where to begin. Can't tell you the number of times I've been out to Korean restaurants in Thailand with Thai students and other Thais who crave Korean food.

My impression is that you are letting other things and people in Korea affect your judgment even when it comes to the food there.

It happens. Wink
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liehtzu



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On some points brought up by others here:

I generally like the Korean food better than the Vietnamese. In the restaurants. Home cooking would be a far tougher call, as some of that Viet home cooking is obscenely good. I think there's more variety in Korean food, but Korean food is not to everyone's fancy and seems to divide folks into love it or hate it camps.

The international restaurants selection is better in Korea than in Vietnam, specifically Seoul and Busan. Hanoi and Saigon are coming up, however. Anywhere outside of Hanoi and Saigon: forget about it.

Almost everybody in every Asian country only eats local food.

You cannot save nearly as much money in Japan as you can in Korea. Pay is higher but they don't cover your apartment and costs are often through the roof (most painful example: cost of afternoon movie ticket in Jinju, Korea, where I worked: $6. cost of afternoon movie ticket on a trip to Fukuoka, Japan: eighteen).

I think you can save good money in Vietnam if you're not a binge drinker. Even if you are a binge drinker you can save money in Korea. You can even throw a few whores and Nikes in there if you so desire. Korea is the best place in Asia to work purely for cash. Hands down.
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Galileo



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ChuckECheese wrote:
Galileo wrote:
There is also a much better selection of international restaurants in Vietnam.


Maybe in HCM city or Hanoi in certain touristic areas, but generally I would have to diagree.

I was thinking of Seoul and Saigon.
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