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Bindair Dundat
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| You are a good example of why Americans are not welcome in the wider world. |
Another vestige of Old Europe heard from.  |
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veiledsentiments
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Yes, but much truth in the statement too... eh BD
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Cleopatra
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I, for one, would always take Europe, new or old, over the land in which Donald Rumsfeld held high office. Any day. |
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Henry_Cowell
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Ouch!! Cleopatra won this round.  |
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veiledsentiments
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It didn't seem much of a round... merely a statement of 3 people's personal opinions... all three representing ethnocentric stereotyping and prejudice...
I have always considered the trading of national insults a rather pitiful waste of time... another of the less attractive traits of TEFL teachers I think. After all, it is not as though any of us had a choice of where we were born, nor control of the actions of our supposed leaders...
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| I have always considered the trading of national insults a rather pitiful waste of time... another of the less attractive traits of TEFL teachers I think. |
Then don't do it ... |
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Bindair Dundat
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Yes, but much truth in the statement too... eh BD
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Actually... yes and no. There are ugly Americans, and there are Americans who manage to make themselves welcome. The fact that Europeans such as Scot47 have become more outspoken about slamming America doesn't signify much. Note that he's upset because the dollar is sliding, which interferes with his personal plans. Perhaps more folks should arrange their personal and national lives so that they aren't, in one way or another, dependent on America. |
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Bindair Dundat
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| Cleopatra wrote: |
I, for one, would always take Europe, new or old, over the land in which Donald Rumsfeld held high office. Any day. |
I hope I don't need to remind you of the long line of dictators, invaders, ethnic cleansers, colonizers, and other war criminals who made Europe prosper; or of the crimes they committed in foreign lands. Euro-criminals make Rummy look like an amateur. Do you think he --or the invasion of Iraq-- will hold a candle in the history books to World Wars I and II, or to the European colonization of Asia, Africa, and the Americas? |
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Cleopatra
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| Do you think he --or the invasion of Iraq-- will hold a candle in the history books to World Wars I and II, or to the European colonization of Asia, Africa, and the Americas? |
No, I don't.
Aside from the fact that the US was a participant in both World Wars (as the likes of Steven Spielberg love to remind us) the latter attempts at colonisation were done competently and with a considerable degree of success, at least from the point of view of the coloniser. If Iraq does go down in history, it will do so as the textbook example of how not to attempt imperial conquest. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Sheikh Inal Ovar wrote: |
| Then don't do it ... |
I didn't... it was Scot47, BD, and Cleopatra...
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Bindair Dundat
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| Do you think he --or the invasion of Iraq-- will hold a candle in the history books to World Wars I and II, or to the European colonization of Asia, Africa, and the Americas? |
No, I don't.
Aside from the fact that the US was a participant in both World Wars (as the likes of Steven Spielberg love to remind us) the latter attempts at colonisation were done competently and with a considerable degree of success, at least from the point of view of the coloniser. |
"At least from the point of view of the coloniser"... HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! Yes, I suppose the victims of the Amritsar massacre, the Boer Wars, and the centuries-long occupation of Ireland would have a slightly different point of view.
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| If Iraq does go down in history, it will do so as the textbook example of how not to attempt imperial conquest. |
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! When America *wants* to conquer, it does. Our objective in Iraq was only to take out Saddam, nothing more. That may be hard for you to undrstand, indoctrinated as you are in the excesses of Euro-peon imperialism. |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Bindair Dundat wrote: |
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I hope I don't need to remind you of the long line of dictators, invaders, ethnic cleansers, colonizers, and other war criminals who made Europe prosper; or of the crimes they committed in foreign lands. Euro-criminals make Rummy look like an amateur. Do you think he --or the invasion of Iraq-- will hold a candle in the history books to World Wars I and II, or to the European colonization of Asia, Africa, and the Americas? |
All are the same, American and Europeans; they are two faces of the same coin.
Of course, we have to recognize that there are good Americans and Europeans, as well, there are ugly Americans and Europeans.
We have to remember as well what happened to the original people of America, the Indians, by the colonized Europeans and, later by the white Americans.
What about the barbarous weapon (Atomic Bomb) used against Japan in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, was it used by the Americans or the Europeans? Even tough the Japanese were defeated and ready to surrender, but, the Americans did not give them a chance!!
So, I do not think using an �Atomic Bomb� was considered an �amateur� act compared to what the Europeans did in Africa, Asia, or the Middle East!?
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| ...When America *wants* to conquer, it does. Our objective in Iraq was only to take out Saddam, nothing more. That may be hard for you to undrstand, indoctrinated as you are in the excesses of Euro-peon imperialism. |
Yes America can conquer, but cannot last, and is failing in Iraq and Afganistan, as it failed in Vietnam.
The objective of US in invading Iraq was not to take out Saddam, but it was for WMD, and they did not find anything. In fact, they did find �Weapon of Math Instructions�.
In fact, it was the Americans, like Ramsfeld, who were supporting Saddam during Iraq-Iran war, and now they killed him, so that all the secrects of the relationship between the Americans and Saddam regime is killed with him. |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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To keep the two beat tempo going ...
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| I didn't... it was Scot47, BD, and Cleopatra... |
Does making a comment in a discussion no longer count as joining one ... and what about your recent endorsement on another forum of the stereo-typical single English male in the UAE ...
... it's not surprising you can't see where you're going ... with those sunglasses and all ... |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Bindair Dundat wrote: |
| Our objective in Iraq was only to take out Saddam, nothing more. |
Ah, to be so proudly arrogant yet so delusional! I want the drug that BD's on.
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Stephen Jones
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Our objective in Iraq was only to take out Saddam, nothing more. That may be hard for you to undrstand, indoctrinated as you are in the excesses of Euro-peon imperialism. |
Here's silly me thinking it was to nick all the oil and keep the Israelis happy!
Presumably the 21,000 new troops Bush wants to send are going on holiday. How petty of these democrats not to pay for a few days in the sun for the country's heroes. |
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