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jammish



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheikh Inal Ovar wrote:
They do a full day of honest work each day?


Hmm... not sure I'd call 'sitting at a desk with no real purpose other than to sit there for the sake of it' hard honest work!
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kuberkat



Joined: 03 Jun 2005
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Location: Oman

PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For once, and this is a rare occasion, I will side with Glenski: basically it depends on who you are and what you want, and what compromises you are willing to deal with.

To me, where I am now (Oman) is the most suitable compromise between several devils and the deep blue sea (aka "home", which is not an option.) I have established myself in a reasonably pleasant job with humane hours and a robust remuneration package. The students I teach are too lovely for words. Unfortunately it appears that work is taboo in their culture, and I am still trying to find a way around this. As long as they don't realise they are learning, things go very well.

What I miss most about where I was before (Taiwan) is the ferocious intelligence and diligence of the students, efficient local coworkers who are in charge of administration... and fiery soup noodles at lunch break. I am not homesick for the pollution that had me sick every few weeks, 40 teaching hours per week or unpaid leave.

It's all about focusing on the doughnut and getting over the hole.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought the donut hoes were the best part Razz ! But seriously, you' re right, it really is hard to say what is best, but it would be in a place where you can enjoy the food, the people, a somewhat modern standard of living, and a decent quality of living. And then, the job itself, if it is too stressful because of bad admin, poor resources, etc.., well there are always other places.

Personally I liked Tawan for the people and the food, but the pollution did me in too.
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tedkarma



Joined: 17 May 2004
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Location: The World is my Oyster

PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Often the most wonderful locations pay the least. The best in wages is often not the friendliest/best place to live. So balance is the key.

I love Thailand - my home has been here for six years - but wages here su*ck. You work like a dog and earn only enough to live well - but not to save anything.

Maybe the best compromise - for me anyway - was Taiwan. Fairly good wages and good quality of life. When you get out of the cities the countryside is beautiful.

BUT - to a large degree friends and good times together probably decide where you enjoy your life the most (if that is what "best" is).

Food, wages, climate, friends, quality of life - the formula and how it is mixed is different for each person.
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kuberkat



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tedkarma (longtimenosee Wink ) wrote:

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Often the most wonderful locations pay the least. The best in wages is often not the friendliest/best place to live. So balance is the key.


This is the crux of the matter. I'm probably quite lucky in that I have a decent mix of breathtaking nature, kind people and good hours for decent pay. The catch is that I can't express myself honestly and that, as a foreign woman in a society where anything remotely pleasing seems forbidden, I am fair game for a lot of cultural misperception- and the ensuing harrassment. It's OK. My mind is free and my internet connection is working.
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jonniboy



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tedkarma wrote:
Often the most wonderful locations pay the least. The best in wages is often not the friendliest/best place to live. So balance is the key.


True but there are also other factors. Lifestyle wise I much preferred Spain to here, but here I only teach ages 15+ and all the students are well motivated and keen to learn. In Spain it was age 5 up and I often felt more like a glorified babysitter rather than an English teacher.
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ghost



Joined: 30 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject: the truth Reply with quote

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What I miss most about where I was before (Taiwan) is the ferocious intelligence and diligence of the students, efficient local coworkers who are in charge of administration... and fiery soup noodles at lunch break


I worked at a Private High school in Taichung County in 2005, and the students there could hardly be called "ferociously intelligent and diligent" - unless you consider that students sleeping in class and refusing to open their books falls under that category.

I would like to debunk the myth that Taiwanese (and other students from Taiwan/China/Korea) are super intelligent and hardworking. This myth has been perpetuated, I think, because the Asians we see overseas tend to be the best of the bunch, and we base assumptions on those people we see.

I could not believe how apathetic and lazy and simply recalcitrant my High School students were in Taiwan - most of the classes were inhabited by glum students who had no fire, spark, or desire for learning English. It was a massive disappointment, and the general lack of motivation and listlessness from adolescent Taiwanese students contributed to my premature exit from that overrated country.

Ghost in Korea

The world more often rewards outward signs of merit than merit itself.
La Rochefoucauld
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think my students - at a two year college on the edge of Taipei - were quite hard working. Most of them took 35 hours of classes per week AND worked at least a part-time job.

Certainly not like my whiners in Korea who at age 26 hadn't worked a day in their life - had twelve hours a week of classes and could seem to get to many of those.

Just my bias - I enjoyed my two years in Taiwan.
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shuize



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a profession in which the barrier to admission is so low (basically a university degree and in some places not even that) it really should come as no surprise that the nicest places (Thailand for example) are going to pay the least. The market has a way of sorting these things out.
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