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[HunanForeignGuy]

1. Enough can NEVER be said about Unit 731. Never, ever, ever, ever.

Someone should oblige that Japanese Prime Minister, that playboy guy who just left office, to come stand on his knees and beg forgiveness of all of the residents Harbin for that Unit -- particularly since that one used to adore going to Yasukini as if he were going to Starbucks.

2. Anti-Japanese feelings are real and palpable and have everything to do with memories of the war, which memories are still quite alive, particularly since Japan has never, ever apologized to China, to this government nor to the previous ones pre-1949, and has never paid reparation for waht it did. The Japanese did not clean up after Unit 731 -- the Soviets and the Chinese did.

3. You sound like the Yomuiri Shimbun when you write that by focusing on the Japanese it is a way to stay in power. That's cheap thinking. Talk to any Chinese -- from the peasant in the country to a hypereducated non-cadre city professional and you will see and feel the anger.

4. You wants lots of Japanese? Stay in Japan. You can take Chinese at one of the institutes in Tokyo. Your pro-nipponese sentiments will not serve you well at all here and if you teach in a public school and if you spout forth on your great love of all things samurai, you will probably be quickly removed from the job -- not by the P*rty, but as a result of the outcry of your students. For sure.

5. There was not ONE family that I knew in Harbin, be they Chinese, ethnic Koreans living in Harbin, ethnic Russians living in Harbin, who, if those families had lived in Harbin prewar, were not touched by the war. Everyone in Harbin lost someone. That is a fact.

6. Do us all a big favor -- stay away from turning things on the government here. The Japanese did what they did here and PLEASE do NOT tell me that Tokyo and that Tojo did NOT know what was going on. Of course they did.

7. Your arguments about the Japanese people NOT knowing are bunk. Of course, after the war in Germany, there wasn't a Nazi to be found...we have all heard that before.

You see, I lived and worked in Japan for several years. So I know how militaristic and right-wing they were and they still are. And in any case, the Japanese moment in history has passed. This is going to be the century of China. You'd have to be blind not to see it.

So regarding your considering Harbin, now that I am aware of your political sentiments and love of all things Japanese, yes, indeed, it is not a choice that I would recommend for you. Maybe Shanghai -- but they had riots there two years also.

Otherwise if you can rethink your posture, it just may work.


HFG

[Mark]

Geez, man, this is turning into quite the thing. Again, I'll try and respectfully respond to your points.

[HunanForeignGuy]

We are not debating any of this.

Perhaps this is where you intended to lead with your original posting.

In any case, with pro-Japanese sentiments like these that are so open and so palpable, you should probably consider other areas than the Northeast as as a place of employment. But as I said, even in other parts of China, if you voice such opinions so strongly to your Chinese colleagues and friend, you will incur a plethora of problems. But do as you wish.

The forum where we are talking about this is a forum for discussing jobs in China -- not a forum for apologists of Japanese conduct during the war.

If you have any more strictly-job related questions about China, please share them.

[DistantRelative]

Your fine Mark. HFG obviously stepped off the deep end on this one.

HFG you are beginning to sound like Nathan with your assumptions. Specifically that Mark intended for this thread to lead the direction you seem to have brought it. He asked a simple question related to Japanese presence in a couple cities, your the one that decided to step off the deep end and go ballistic. Take your own advice, lighten up, and get back on topic.

Zhuhao,

Shawn

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[sultansofping]

did visit unit 731, interesting, off the beaten track as well
but to be fair it looked like a lot of japanese journalists broke the stories of the camp, and this is even mentioned in the site itself, without this pressue maybe we would not have known the true horrors from the camp

yes there is deep resentment to the japanese in harbin, my japanese friend is constantly asked about the war

also there are japanese restaurants in harbin

yeah that jap premier is a di ck, but are chinese really so interested in looking back at history they could also look at their own history towards tibet, and chairman mao

i was in harbin for the anti - jap marches, a lot of it was organised by the local government/colleges, and most had not a clue about what they were marching about, only anti-japanese racism

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