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Teaching ESL in TORONTO CA
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misterbrownpants



Joined: 04 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:17 am    Post subject: ojo! Reply with quote

the problem is that because canada is a first world every country believes that it is the promise land.. where there is no poverty.. lots of fantastical jobs. and a higher standard or living.. ojo!!!
its not always like that
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canadashirleyblue



Joined: 06 May 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well put!
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Symphany



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject: Work Abroad and in Canada Reply with quote

I wouldn't let debts discourage you from following your passion of teaching abroad as thousands of debt-laden recent and not so recent grads such as myself--graduated 5-7 years ago are teaching and living there. It is possible to make money in Japan as expensive as it is, there are ways to cut costs and make inroads for yourself. I just came back from Japan earlier on this year. If you do decide to go, count the first 4-6 months as a start-up phase, after that you should be able to save between $500-$700 USD per month which is the average. More is always possible depending on how frugal you are and/or how much overtime that you're willing to do. As for Canada/US I'm not too sure about US citizens coming over here to teach, but you may want to check with your local Canadian embassy to see if there are any exchange programs available. I know for Canadians there is a program called SWAP that allows working holidays for people who are interested in a number of countries, including the USA, Japan, China, South Africa and others.........www.swap.ca.
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naturegirl321



Joined: 04 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 11:27 pm    Post subject: Re: ojo! Reply with quote

misterbrownpants wrote:
the problem is that because canada is a first world every country believes that it is the promise land.. where there is no poverty.. lots of fantastical jobs. and a higher standard or living.. ojo!!!
its not always like that


could you please tell that to my husband? Making lots of money doesn't mean that you'll save a lot, just that the cost of living is higher.
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FuzzX



Joined: 14 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were you I would marry that boyfriend so you can get a piece of our healthcare system!!! Forget about going abroad. Join the Canadian Military or something as an Officer. You'll never see any action anyway.

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the problem is that because canada is a first world every country believes that it is the promise land.. where there is no poverty.. lots of fantastical jobs. and a higher standard or living.. ojo!!!
its not always like that


You are forgetting that most countries make their citizens pay out the nose for health care benefits. You can work at Tim Hortons here and get healthcare benefits that would cost the average person in the US 1 or 200,000 per year.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can also work at Tim Hortons and make the same or more money than an ESL teacher in Toronto, and you'd be able to get employment insurance as well- which you wouldn't as an ESL teacher because you would almost definately be working under a contract.

The reason immigrants go to Canada is because Immigration Canada tries to get them there (they would be out of a job with no immigration...incidentally, so would ESL teachers- remember the situation during and after SARS? No jobs. Period).
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ohahakehte



Joined: 25 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:35 pm    Post subject: pessimistic? Reply with quote

GambateBingBangBOOM wrote:
You can also work at Tim Hortons and make the same or more money than an ESL teacher in Toronto, and you'd be able to get employment insurance as well- which you wouldn't as an ESL teacher because you would almost definately be working under a contract.


u sound pretty dark there gambate. why would anyone bother working in an esl gig if they could make more serving double-doubles? are you saying that ESL teachers in toronto including those with CELTA's or TESOL MA's make less than horton's workers? i dont know the answer to that so im not trying to be snarky but thats a huge kick in the pants to those teachers who worked hard at getting suck ESL certifications, not to mention putting in time in asia teaching english....
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jillford64



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't know anything about canadian immigration except that my best friend's sister moved to canada to marry her canadian boyfriend and it took at least two years to get her legal to work. So you might check into that before you haul off and get married, if you were considering that as an option.
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GambateBingBangBOOM



Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: pessimistic? Reply with quote

ohahakehte wrote:
GambateBingBangBOOM wrote:
You can also work at Tim Hortons and make the same or more money than an ESL teacher in Toronto, and you'd be able to get employment insurance as well- which you wouldn't as an ESL teacher because you would almost definately be working under a contract.


u sound pretty dark there gambate. ... thats a huge kick in the pants to those teachers who worked hard at getting suck ESL certifications, not to mention putting in time in asia teaching english....


yeah, life's hard. But then,

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why would anyone bother working in an esl gig if they could make more serving double-doubles?


People do it to help and make a difference and feel that not only are they helping people who badly need help, but they are using their degree and training.

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are you saying that ESL teachers in toronto including those with CELTA's or TESOL MA's make less than horton's workers?



I did in Canada, and I do have that kind of training.
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Skylarz



Joined: 12 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your boyfriend lives in Canada, you should be able to get a residency visa under him, even if you don't qualify for the skilled workers visa. Americans/ Canadians are even able to apply within Canada/ US or at the border after they have arrived and have a job offer.

I know plenty of people ( friends) who did that, some had to wait in the US for the permit to go through (not very long at all), but it worked. You just need to prove that your bf is willing to sponsor you (i.e living with him etc..) and then you should be able to get a residency permit/ visa with no problem.

I'm American, my boyfriend is Canadian and we have talked about this many times. With your situation, I'd try to get a residency visa, not a skilled workers visa.
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canadashirleyblue



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canadians can apply at the border to work in the States if they already have a job in one of the categories the T whatever (can't remember just now) visa allows.

I am not aware of any similar program to get into Canada. Where did you find this information?

If you are sponsored to enter Canada by your boyfriend/husband are you allowed to work? I know people who have done that and told me they couldn't.
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chan_konabe



Joined: 23 Jun 2006
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Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Canadian Sponsorship Reply with quote

Canadians can sponsor their spouses, common-law partners or conjugal partners for permanent residence in Canada. To sponsor your spouse, you'll need your marriage certificate. To sponsor a common-law partner, you must show that you have lived together for a continuous 12-month period and that you have combined affairs (ex, joint leases, joint bank accounts, joint bills, etc...). To sponsor a conjugal partner, you'll have to show that you have been in a relationship for a continuous 12-month period and that you are prevented from marrying each other due to external factors (ex, religious reasons, same-sex marriages aren't legal in partner's home country, etc...). Note - there isn't a boyfriend/girlfriend/fiance category in the sponsorship application.

You can sponsor your spouse/partner through the In-Canada or Outside-Canada routes.

The Outside-Canada route is a lot faster, but your spouse/partner will have to wait in his/her home country while the process is going on.

The In-Canada route takes longer to get permanent residence. Moreover, your spouse/partner won't be able to work in Canada until he/she gets initial approval status which usually takes 8-10 months. However, they'll be able to remain in Canada with you while this process is going on.

When I sponsored my wife for permanent residence in Canada, we chose the Outside-Canada route. It only took 4 months for her to get permanent residence. My friend sponsored her husband (from the same country as my wife) using the In-Canada route around the same time and it took him 18 months to get permanent residence.

Sponsorship applications and other information can be downloaded on the Citizenship and Immigration Canada web site.
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VanKen



Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Location: Calgary, AB Canada

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Canadian Sponsorship Reply with quote

chan_konabe wrote:
When I sponsored my wife for permanent residence in Canada, we chose the Outside-Canada route. It only took 4 months for her to get permanent residence. My friend sponsored her husband (from the same country as my wife) using the In-Canada route around the same time and it took him 18 months to get permanent residence.

Good information from somebody who has actually gone through the process, not just heard about it from a friend, etc.

When I sponsored my wife years ago, it was also the in-Canada route and took about a year, IIRC. It was a little quicker than others because we were living in a smaller community and there were fewer applicants in the queue. If you live in the big cities, 18 months or more is the norm. That happened to a friend in TO who also sponsored his wife around the same time as me.
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adz595



Joined: 12 Jan 2007
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Location: Scotland

PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

your best to apply for a holiday working visa.. this means you dont need sponsorship to obtain it. its open work meaning you can find any work with the visa for a year.
Your spouse sponsoring you could take months if not years and no you would not be permitted to work unless you had a temp work visa while you were here and waiting on it to be processed...
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