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Family in Japan? Viable?
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Sherri



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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Location: The Big Island, Hawaii

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Yvonne Craig

Like Quibby84, I try to be positive but in your case, it is really tough. I am a mom with 2 young kids both born in Japan. I left partly because I did not want them to go through the Japanese school system. Your kids would be in for some tough, lonely times ahead if you sent them to Japanese public schools. I would not wish that on any kid. Also, I am assuming that you don't speak Japanese, you will also be in for a tough time communicating with the school officials and your kids' teachers. They will come home with notes asking you to prepare something or buy something and you won't be able to read it. You won't be able to read anything in fact from the school rules to the lunch menus.

I also agree with others, you need at least an MA in TESL to get a foot in the door of a university and other schools just don't pay enough.

How big is your house now? About 2,000 sq feet? In Tokyo, many families of 4 are living in 700 or 800 sq feet and no back yard to play in.

I can't see your husband's native language being in much demand and he may even face some discrimination.

Why do you want to come to Japan? Maybe there is something else you can do which could be better for your family?

It is a good thing you are doing your homework before coming.
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Sherri
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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what if her husband home schooled the kids and did classes on the side...could she support them then?
With a BA degree and SOME experience in Japan (I wish she would have said just what that experience was...), it's POSSIBLE that she could start a rung or two up from the entry level jobs. Mainstream schools require a year or two of teaching experience in Japan, and that includes eikaiwa and sometimes JET program experience.

Public school jobs these days are limited to JET ALT, dispatch ALT (the growing trend), and rare direct hires. So, mainstream schools that she should shoot for are private ones. Of course, full-timers there will only usually get 3-year contracts, but there is always the remote possibility that she could then get tenure. Who knows?

School years start in April, so 2007 is out of the question, but that leaves almost a whole year to make connections and such for the 2008 term.

Salaries at private HS's can be as high as 400,000 yen/month (before deductions). I would hazard a guess that the average, though, is closer to 300,000-350,000. So, even if Yvonne got a reasonably priced home, she would still need to nearly double that salary to make ends meet. Or hubby would have to work.

His language background is pretty pointless in Japan. If he can muster some private students, cool. There's a little money for the kitty. He will have to be here on a dependent visa, which means he can only work for an employer part-time (and if he makes more than a million yen or so, he cannot be exempted on Yvonne's taxes, making him more of a liability than an asset). But, anything he makes under the table is golden. Teach Malaysian folk singing, rug weaving, pottery, whatever, on the side. My American friend's Thai wife does and makes nearly as much as he does as a teacher with 3 jobs!

Schooling and housing are the major concerns. Home school them, and that cuts into hubby's time for making money. Send them to public school, and the kids will need a LOT of language learning. (Then again, if she has until 2008, there is SOME time for intensive studies...)

Where were you planning to live, Yvonne? A 3LDK (3-bedroom apartment with a separate living room, dining area and kitchen) will NOT be cheap. Houses are somewhat rare, but a lot depends on where you live, how well you negotiate, and what sort of real estate agent you find. Usually, you will need a guarantor for renting and that means an employer. Not always, though.

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What I meant by smaller towns and Hokkaido and such is that I though I might have a better chance for such a position where the competition is (perhaps) less fierce.
Perhaps, although there are also fewer job opportunities as well. And, is your family prepared to live in a small Japanese town? REALLY prepared? You may have had the experience here, but they didn't, and you were an American adult here, but they are not adults and your husband is (presumably) not American.

I won't count you out on this, but I will say it will be very difficult. Please write back with more details on your proposed situation.
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AndyH



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently supporting a wife and kid on an eikaiwa salary (>Y300,000/month w/ overtime), and we get by, but it isn't very good for the long term. We have a small (by US standards) apartment, with one bedroom we share, and my wife works part-time, temporary jobs to supplement the income.
My wife is Japanese, and it is nice to have her parents nearby to help out.
Like I said, we get by, but our present situation is not viable for the long run, so I will return to the US in a couple of weeks (I've been here since 2002), and as soon as I have a job and apartment, my wife and kid will follow. My wife and I also prefer to raise our son in the US, and send him to American schools.
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Yvonne Craig



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. I see what you are all getting at. Thank you for your bald honesty. Better I hear about the harsh realities from you than, along with my husband and children, experience it for myself firsthand. When I was there before I was single and lived far enough outside of Tokyo to have a decent-sized apartment. So much has changed since then in my life as well as Japan. Neutral
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am glad you see the reality of it all. Unfortunately, there are few places, even with the best qualifications, where you can teach English overseas and support a family. I have 3 little ones so I can understand you.
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canuck



Joined: 11 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yvonne Craig wrote:
Yes. I see what you are all getting at. Thank you for your bald honesty. Better I hear about the harsh realities from you than, along with my husband and children, experience it for myself firsthand. When I was there before I was single and lived far enough outside of Tokyo to have a decent-sized apartment. So much has changed since then in my life as well as Japan. Neutral


I'm happy we could help you from making a very bad decision. Yes, things have changed, however, your same situation now wouldn't have been more feasible 10 years ago either.
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jademonkey



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan has gotten cheaper, but it's just the economics of any job you may be able to land. As it has been said, you're unlikely to get more than about 300,000yen a month, though this could be supplemented with private students. Still, that's not incredibly reliable income. It can be done, in that anything can be done, but I think the results would not be optimal.
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