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nomad soul
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| What's the source of that salary/benefit info? Additionally, what's your (realistic) expected salary -- how much you feel you're worth with a newly-minted MA? |
The source is the person who has phoned me about a job. Also, nomad, that is all they are paying regardless. Thanks for the pathetic sneer about the newly minted MA too. |
So you didn't apply and interview with UoW directly; someone (a 3rd party recruiter, perhaps) telephoned you with general info about a position. Regardless, that salary looks like the pay for a local hire (i.e., a national or expat already on a spouse visa).
How is mentioning that you're a recent graduate a "sneer?" I asked about your salary expectations because some employers in the region require or prefer applicants with post-MA teaching experience. Your years of teaching prior to completing your MA may not get full credit in terms of salary calculations. |
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nwtefl
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| No it wasn't a third party, I spoke to someone direct. I agree with the salary comments - could a teacher outside the UAE be expected to live on such a wage? Is it possible? |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Could a teacher outside the UAE be expected to live on such a wage? Is it possible? |
No. But again, that 13,000 AED is very likely local hire pay for someone whose working spouse already receives employer-provided health, flight, and housing benefits for dependents. That's what you should be asking prospective employers if all the basic benefits aren't indicated. |
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nwtefl
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I know there are flights and healthcare included. However, until an official offer is made it's all hot air. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I know there are flights and healthcare included. However, until an official offer is made it's all hot air. |
You also need to find out if they would sponsor your visa; that's how you'd know whether it's a local or overseas hire situation. But frankly, I don't know why you'd be interested in a position that doesn't include housing unless you currently have a boatload of money socked aside to pay your apartment deposit and 6-12 months' rent upfront. |
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rdobbs98
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:12 am Post subject: |
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How to live off of this salary? Get real, people here live on 5,000 AED per month because most of the Expats (Indian and Pakistani) make that or less.
If you think the UAE has some sort of pot of gold here, you better think twice. Teaching isn't what it used to be and due to the influx of Expats from other nations taking lower salaries, the salaries are decreasing. Do companies pay well? Yes but this is the exception rather than the norm. Expo 2020 will add many jobs but mostly lower paying.
People take accounting jobs for 2,000 AED and why many good accountants can't find a job that pays a decent wage. Plus if it is your first time here, it is hard to find higher pay because if you have no experience in the Middle East you are likely to run back home or not even last. Many come with high expectations, only to leave after a couple of months.
I have lived almost 3 years in the Middle East and by far still adjust on many levels but I do ok because my expectations are less and more patient.
Where you are from determines what you will be paid as a starting wage, it may not be right but it is reality. If you have no or little experience, you will be paid less. |
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nwtefl
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| I suppose because it sounded good for my professional development and seems to have a good reputation. |
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rdobbs98
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:20 am Post subject: |
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Rent will be done on 4 or 6 postdated checks, plus commission, plus security deposit, plus SEWA or FEWA, and the municipality fee. But you can't do that unless you have a UAE Residence Visa and bank account. No residence visa, no bank account and no apartment.
You could find a hotel apartment, which will be furnished, but be ready to pay a higher rent. You must consider transportation as well. In Dubai you can get around better because of buses, taxis, and Metro. But it is more likely you would have to live somewhere cheaper and the traffic and transportation between the cheaper places to live (Sharjah, Ajman, & Umm Al Qwaimm) are difficult and more expensive. There is a fee charged any time a taxi goes from Dubai to Sharjah and Sharjah to Dubai of 20 AED just to cross the border, in addition to the fare. |
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rdobbs98
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Many expat teachers I know from other Middle Eastern countries, India and Pakistan have had to send their families back home because they just can't afford to keep them with them in the UAE. School fees and accommodation are the biggest reasons considering the money they make here goes farther back home. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:11 am Post subject: |
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| I suppose because it sounded good for my professional development and seems to have a good reputation. |
You can get professional development in the ME regardless of who the employer is. For example, there's TESOL Arabia, which is also great for networking, and the British Council, which holds various workshops throughout the year. Plus, some university English foundation departments have their own in-service teacher workshops and seminars.
I agree with rdobbs98; those who do best in the ME have realistic (lowered) expectations and lots of patience. This is especially the case if you accept a position in KSA. Lastly, don't expect your first job in the region to be a major money maker; do a year or two in Oman or Saudi Arabia and then try again for the UAE or at a reputable uni like Sultan Qaboos (Oman). |
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nwtefl
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I'd be a single guy coming with no dependents.
Obviously if they don't help with the visa I'll decline the offer. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 10:12 am Post subject: |
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| Obviously if they don't help with the visa I'll decline the offer. |
It's not about "helping" with the residence work visa application/costs; you must be sponsored in order to work/live in the UAE (http://dubaiemploymenttips.com/visa/). This is typical of other Gulf countries as well. So if a prospective employer informs you that the position doesn't entail their sponsorship, that means their target applicant is either an Emirati or expat who's already a legal resident of the Emirates, usually via their spouse. |
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nwtefl
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| You know what I meant! If they don't sponsor me I will decline the offer. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| You know what I meant! If they don't sponsor me I will decline the offer. |
Not so. If the university won't sponsor you, there's nothing to decline because you're automatically ineligible for that particular position due to lack of sponsorship. That's a requirement for employment in the UAE. See the link provided in my previous post. |
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nwtefl
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2015 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Okay I have the offer - it's a more senior role so pays a few more 1000 than my previous post and does include the residence visa. |
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