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Iamherebecause



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Location: . . . such quantities of sand . . .

PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have found that the majority of employers look at WHAT you have taught more than where.


That's part of the problem here though - so much of the teaching even in the tertiary sector is fairly low level, and there are big programmes in lock-step - many teachers say that the longer they stay here the more de-skilled they become. So-called 'supervisors' or 'coordinators' take decisions a teacher could normally be expected to take or micro-manage things to destruction.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course the low level of English required a certain amount of 'dumbing down' of the materials, but I didn't find it any different when I taught the same courses in the US at a small college - where half of the class were not native speakers. But here in the US, they had to keep up with the rest and that usually meant my giving them some extra time.

Things may have changed there and it depends on the direct manager, but in my experience the business supervisor gave me complete freedom to achieve the goals by my own methods. Of course, it is much easier to set and achieve learning goals in business classes than in English.

I can't see why any professional teacher would become "de-skilled" in a contract or two unless they wanted to be. To me every job added to my skills... and HCT taught me more than any other place I worked. That was because I was surrounded by many serious educators. (and a few oddballs...)

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Iamherebecause wrote:
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I have found that the majority of employers look at WHAT you have taught more than where.


That's part of the problem here though - so much of the teaching even in the tertiary sector is fairly low level, and there are big programmes in lock-step - many teachers say that the longer they stay here the more de-skilled they become. So-called 'supervisors' or 'coordinators' take decisions a teacher could normally be expected to take or micro-manage things to destruction.


I feel the people who become de-skilled here are the same people who would become de-skilled where ever they were teachers.
(Though it is a little easier here)

The shock and horror when teachers at a university level were told they would/should have a masters degree. The lack of continued development (by some) in these institutions is appalling.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick update, I recieved an email from HCT today. I was quite shocked that I passed the interview phase of the process. I guess that means I am in the applicant pool, but I would still have to draw the interest of one schools to get an offer. After the interview, I felt I hadn't done that well. Combined with the technical problems during the interview,
I pretty much thought I wouldn't hear anything back.

The other issue is that my family is not thrilled about me going there (in the event I did recieve an offer). I'm been in Korea for the past three and a half years and gotten by fine. My guess is that they are nervous about other events happening in the Middle East right now.

Anyway, we'll see what happens.
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Iamherebecause



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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My guess is that they are nervous about other events happening in the Middle East right now.


Maybe they need to invest in a map... Lebanon, Iraq, Palestine, Israel etc do not exactly have borders with the UAE. Iran is closer (very close!) but for many people who live in the UAE it's seen as a really interesting and beautiful tourist destination - if a little challenging. Look at the distances involved and do a bit of reading about local news and politics (web-sites for the English language national daily nespapers are good for this). I think it's safe to say the UAE is a stable country with a strong economy and in general people seem happy with the status quo; UAE is very unlikely to get directly involved in what's going on further north.
Did people worry about going to work in Italy when the break-up of Yugoslavia resulted in the Balkan war? No, and the distances are much smaller.
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adorabilly



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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey M.D.

Our families were worried too. They heard ARAB, and freaked out. We have been doing our research, and the UAE seems incredibly stable.

The biggest issues (as we see them) appear to be 1. crime vs foreigners (usually phillipino, indian, or pakistani), 2. horrible drivers (lived in central china, your in korea.. dont' think it will be that bad by comparison). 3. dealing with micromanaging supervisors.

There appear to be very little dangers in the UAE.

After all if someone were wanting to go after foriengers (westerners), much easier in kuwait, iraq, and saudi. In order to get to us in the UAE, these folks ahve to go through 3 or 4 countries, and that is a LOT of work.

yes Iran is on the other side of the gulf... but they have a huge population in the UAE, and don't want to screw that up. Very stable, very safe. If it wasn't we wouldn't be moving our family (3 kids) there.

Tell your family if they can find ANYTHING bad about the UAE for your safety, you will consider not taking the position. (the worse we can find is child abuse of camel drivers/child molestation of camel riders, rape of single women (usually philipino maids, or eastern european). Prostitution using eastern european women. And bad drivers. Other than that, nothing is out there. And we have checked.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am here,

True, most of the really bad spots are quite a distance from UAE, except for Iran. Most Americans don't know much about Korea, so there is an ignorance factor that plays into people's reaction.

Adorabilly,

Thanks for sharing your information. I might be slightly worried about how my wife (who is Korean) would be treated.

Can you tell me what you meant by "crime vs. foreigners"?

Yes, the people here drive like they have their heads up their ***, so I'm use to it.

The work enviroment is one of the most important things. I've heard similar things from countless other people as well. One of the questions I asked in my interview is how they would handle a conflict with a teacher. They said they have a very open door policy and that if someone is not satisfied with the answers they got from the person above them, that it is possible to go higher up the latter. I don't know if this is true, but it was a good answer as far as I'm concerned.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
I might be slightly worried about how my wife (who is Korean) would be treated.

This topic has been discussed in the past as there are many international marriages of all combinations. If you are in one of the larger cities, she will likely be able to meet up with other Korean wives. The one disadvantage for her is the societal assumption there that any non-white female, especially Asian, is a maid. So, she should be prepared to deal with that and not be upset or insulted.

Milwaukiedave wrote:
the people here drive like they have their heads up their ***, so I'm use to it.

The problem is actually somewhat different I would say. The reason Gulf roads are so dangerous is the fact that so many can afford very big and VERY fast cars and drive them to the limit. It is rather as if all the 17-18 year old boys in the US were given their own Ferrari and turned loose. "Hey guys let's see if we can get to 100 mph before that stop sign." In the Gulf, adulthood and even a family in the car with them does not change things in the least... every male's adequacy seems to depend on if they can be the most reckless and fastest shebab on the street.

Milwaukiedave wrote:
They said they have a very open door policy and that if someone is not satisfied with the answers they got from the person above them, that it is possible to go higher up the latter. I don't know if this is true, but it was a good answer as far as I'm concerned.

I'd say that this is generally true. But, there is always the variable of the individual college management.

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adorabilly



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PostPosted: Sun May 27, 2007 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey MD

Here is what I have gathered (from here, and having had some pm's with individauls who are in the field in the UAE)

There are sexual assaults on maids by their employers, women who are obviously oriental, or european will be assumed to be hookers. Women travelling alone late at night have been abducted and raped (but that is possible anywhere)

Most crime appears to happen between the eastern/oriental/phillipino groups. These are usually the domestic servents, or the construction workers/unskilled labor. As such, these folks appear to be viewed as "less than" and can be treated as inferior.

With that said there appears to be little crime vs western foreigners (well what we can find) and NO terrorism has occured in the UAE (it is very stable, and the folks there won't put up with it.)
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the follow up answers on that. If I do go, I've decided I would rather stay away from Dubai and Sharjah because they are too large and Madinat Zayed because it is too remote. I told them I have a preference of Fujairah. I don't think Abu Dhabi would be too bad either.

In terms of protection, does anyone know if mace is legal in UAE (not for me, but for my wife). I know it sounds crazy, but I feel even in the US I have to be overly protective of her. It sounds like in one of the smaller cities she'd probably be ok though.

David
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spicegirl



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... goodness me, however did she manage before she met you, Milwaukiedave? Don't you think mace is going a bit far? A hairspray or deodorant spray in the eyes, or a knee somewhere else would do the trick.

No-one's going to attack her during the day, and in the evenings I imagine that she'd be under your protection. But what am I saying ...? I've been in the UAE for 12 years and no-one's come close to assaulting me. I've had uncomfortable moments, as every female has, but it's more of the nature of stares, with the odd brushing up against me accidentally-on-purpose in a crowd, maybe once - but there are almost never crowds.

There are security guards in all the shopping malls, and females of all nationalities go shopping without male escorts with absolutely no problems. In a taxi, she could get out her mobile phone to look as if she's ready to phone for help. Don't speak to the taxi driver, even if he speaks to her - she should simply look out of the side window. For cultural reasons, and probably also as a safety measure, females here don't usually get into a lift alone if a man is in it.

If a female makes a complaint against an expatriate man, then he will probably be deported, after a cursory investigation.

As far as smaller towns vs larger cities in the UAE are concerned, I'd stay away from Dubai for many reasons, but not those of safety. You didn't mention Al Ain in your list of possible job offers - that's another possibility for you.

I feel much safer in the UAE than I do when walking alone in any city in the UK, and even in the small towns after dark.
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Dedicated



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PostPosted: Mon May 28, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: HCT Business Instructors Reply with quote

Milwaukie - you mention applying for Fujairah. Just be aware that at present there is a huge build-up of American troops in Fujairah because of its proximity to Iran, and at least two nuclear submarines in the sea off Fujairah. Not perhaps as safe as you think? The US troops are not allowed to speak to anybody "We are on the highest level of alert".

This is exactly what happened in Qatar prior to the Gulf war.

The Director of FC's wife, a woman in her late 50s/early 60s, was actually assaulted on the corniche in broad daylight, as was the wife of an English teacher. Another teacher had to move from a villa to the safety of an apartment, as his Vietnamese wife was being harassed by locals.

As for the Business instructors, the true thread of this site, three are getting out - two to Abu Dhabi, one to Qatar. I think that speaks for itself.
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