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Nismo
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| Tom Green in Japan (warning: very funny) |
That was one of the least funny things I've ever seen appear on this forum. |
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User N. Ame
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| JimDunlop2 wrote: |
| No, the fact that Green is a foreigner doing this crap reflects very poorly on foreigners in Japan, and confirms (even propagates) the Japanese stereotype that foreigners are barbarians who have no concept of good manners, don't know how to behave appropriately in society, and have an extreme ignorance of Japanese language and culture. |
With due respect to your offended cultural goodness, Jim, you aren't giving Japanese folk enough credit to be able to differentiate between a foreign comedian with camera crew in tow - and the rest of the gaijin community. Frankly, your reaction smacks a bit of ethnocentrism in your failure to afford Japanese the intelligence in assessing Green as a freak of foreign nature.
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| Let's be honest -- what do you think the guy who got ketchup poured all over his hand in Mos Burger is going to tell his mates? |
He likely feels the same as the poor sap who fell victim to that Japanese show, "The Black Mail" or victims of Japanese gag crews who do hidden camera toilet pranks on unwitting citizens. Frankly, he likely feels far less violated.
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| When Japanese comedians do that kind of stuff -- it's a little different. |
A good prank knows no cultural/racial boundaries, and I think most Japanese people, like most other humans, appreciate this. He isn't hurting anyone, isn't violent... he's a prankster. It's not your place to pretend to speak on behalf of Japanese or your fellow gaijin. If you don't like it, fine. You aren't alone. But your holier than thou tone in all this is a bit melodramatic, don't you think?
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| What do you think would happen in the inverse situation? You walk into a Wal-Mart in Vancouver and suddenly some Japanese guy with a microphone, accompanied by a camera crew, dressed up as a Wal-Mart greeter came up to you and started stuffing tofu and raw fish into your pockets???. |
Me personally, I'd laugh my ass off. Especially after being told it was a prank for Japan TV, and they'd pay me a handsome stipend for the cleaning bill. I'd think Japanese are like Canadians - a good sense of humour.
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Nismo
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| I'd think Japanese are like Canadians - a good sense of humour. |
Which is why Tom Green wouldn't go over well in Japan. It's the same reason his show got canceled - He's not funny.
Tom Green is one of the worst examples of humor through the destruction of social norms, because there is a victim in his comedy.
A good example is Sacha Baron Cohen and his UK and American TV series Da Ali G show. (I wasn't thrilled with Borat the movie) He plays the role of the victim in his humor, but in so doing shows how ridiculous the reactions of others can be. He's not out there pouring ketchup on people and being generally annoying. |
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User N. Ame
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Nismo wrote: |
| Tom Green is one of the worst examples of humor through the destruction of social norms, because there is a victim in his comedy. |
You don't want to go down this road, because you will lose every single time. For the same reason you'll lose in trying to argue that red is nicer than blue, or rap is better than rock. You're in the realm of art and taste. Obviously, Green was popular enough to sign several contracts with MTV, do a movie (a horrible one at that), among other things. I can't believe I'm even raising Green to such import. He's a dork, but sometimes a really insanely funny one. I like red, you like blue. "Good art is art that you like," said some guy named W. Blake. 'Nuff said.
| Nismo wrote: |
| A good example is Sacha Baron Cohen and his UK and American TV series Da Ali G show. |
This guy is a genius, but you'll be disappointed to learn that Sacha is Tom's long lost illegitimate third cousin.  |
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JonnyB61
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| Especially after being told it was a prank for Japan TV, and they'd pay me a handsome stipend for the cleaning bill. |
Good humour should speak for itself. One shouldn't need to explain that 'it was a prank.'
The usual rules do not apply. A foreigner behaving badly is simply viewed as a badly behaved foreigner. There are, IMHO, several unfunny 'comedians' currently at large in the UK. However, if a foreigner went there and tried to behave in like manner, he would not be seen as an unfunny comedian; he would be seen as a badly behaved foreigner who doesn't know any better.
Don't be offended but, you don't mean stipend in this context. Sum would be better.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stipend |
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User N. Ame
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| Especially after being told it was a prank for Japan TV, and they'd pay me a handsome stipend for the cleaning bill. |
Good humour should speak for itself. One shouldn't need to explain that 'it was a prank.' |
Jonny Jonny Jonny, the very nature of a prank is that it needs explaining at the end of it!!! There's this great show in Canada called Just for Laughs: Gags, where they go out and conduct these very, sometimes very riskaaaay, hilarious pranks. The humour rests in the actual revelation! - and the expressions of its victims!
The only real comeback to a guy like Green is simply: pal, you suck. Trying to wax philosophic on the ethics of pranking, or trying to deconstruct comedy like you're in a philosophy of art class only shows that the real last laugh is on you.
I think the real anti-Green people aren't even bothering to read this thread, which is the best statement you can make if he offends you.
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furiousmilksheikali
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:47 am Post subject: |
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Jonny Jonny Jonny, the very nature of a prank is that it needs explaining at the end of it!!!
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Whenever I played the old "pinpon dash" game (as it is known in Japan) in my youth I always returned to the scene of the crime to explain.
I'm sure that people who set fire to paper bags filled with dog excrement do the same thing, as with those who stick bananas up exhaust pipes. Hilarious! If it weren't for their explanations afterwards then it would seem slightly malicious. But when they explain it was all a prank everyone sees the funny side. |
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southofreality
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, yeah! That's exactly right!
I remember one time, when I was in junior high, my friend and I pinpon-dashed some old lady's house. But, before we ran off, we lit some firecrackers and left them on her front porch in front of the door. Well, I'll tell you what... the timing was perfect! She answered the door and BAM! BAM! BA-BAM! It was great! Her eyes rolled back in their sockets and she collapsed into cardiac arrest. We realized then, that it wouldn't be perfect without returning to the scene and explaining everything.
We got back and told her panicked husband, who was at that time trying to revive her, that it was all just a prank. Boy, did we all have a good laugh! |
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User N. Ame
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: |
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| furiousmilksheikali wrote: |
| User N. Ame wrote: |
Jonny Jonny Jonny, the very nature of a prank is that it needs explaining at the end of it!!!
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Whenever I played the old "pinpon dash" game (as it is known in Japan) in my youth I always returned to the scene of the crime to explain.
I'm sure that people who set fire to paper bags filled with dog excrement do the same thing, as with those who stick bananas up exhaust pipes. Hilarious! If it weren't for their explanations afterwards then it would seem slightly malicious. But when they explain it was all a prank everyone sees the funny side. |
You got me! And come to think.. Green doesn't really explain his either (unless he does so off camera)... sheesh, how could I be so transparent.....  You win. |
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User N. Ame
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Eva Pilot
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I was a deprived child, I don't remember ever playing pinpon dash once.
Throwing stones onto a tin shed roof and hearing it bang all the way down before falling off...yes.
But no pinpon dash. |
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JonnyB61
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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I was a deprived child, I don't remember ever playing pinpon dash once.
Throwing stones onto a tin shed roof and hearing it bang all the way down before falling off...yes.
But no pinpon dash. |
There's no answer to that!!! |
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osakajojo
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| When it comes to jackass humour, the rule is: Japanese Only! |
NO- the rule is, when it comes to jackass humor, JACKASS only!!
The movie Jackass (The first, not the second) is so funny when they are in Japan.
Tom Green and funny in the same sentence? No, I don't think so. I'd rather drink milk strait from the cow's utters than watch another minute of Tom Green. Anyway, didn't he disappear like 5 years ago? |
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User N. Ame
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| Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| When it comes to jackass humour, the rule is: Japanese Only! |
NO- the rule is, when it comes to jackass humor, JACKASS only!!
The movie Jackass (The first, not the second) is so funny when they are in Japan.
Tom Green and funny in the same sentence? No, I don't think so. I'd rather drink milk strait from the cow's utters than watch another minute of Tom Green. Anyway, didn't he disappear like 5 years ago? |
I have seen a few of those clips of Jackass in Japan, the one that stands out is "Party Boy's" random, impromtu disco strip show in busy Tokyo department store. Found this clip: http://youtube.com/watch?v=FyNhEgIvBsI enjoy!
But a warning to you, Osakajojo, before you enter these dangerous, controversial waters of foreigners doing comedy in Japan... there are a few around these parts who get mighty offended....
Green's whereabouts? No clue. I don't care. I don't follow him. But his pranks in Japan are hilarious. |
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lagerlout2006
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Sickening white trash...
I guess this is supposed to be "daring" or "cutting edge" and prudish to say otherwise.
IMO he should be denied a passport,, |
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