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may be going
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 129 Location: australia
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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i thought the same as jim. a really good article if you want to generate discussion on a range of topics, including media bias, media misrepresentation, why each city might be where it is, critical thinking techniques etc etc.
it has a variety of really useful stuff you could pick through but sadly, authenticity is not one of them.
as we live in one of the cities named we're able to add to the conjecture.
however, it makes you wonder about what to believe in any of the 'studies' published on topics we're not so clued into..... |
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JonnyB61

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| may be going wrote: |
| a really good article if you want to generate discussion on a range of topics, including media bias, media misrepresentation, |
It breaks my heart to say it, but the BBC have squandered their reputation for impartiality in recent years. In the last year I have sent them three emails complaining of what I knew to be inaccurate and even fictitious reporting regarding, especially, the Middle East. They just ignored them of course.
Have a look at this.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6763205.stm
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JonnyB61

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 216 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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Whoops!
Didn't mean to do this.
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| JimDunlop2 wrote: |
| Yeah, fair enough... But that just goes to show you the extreme degree of latitude in such a report/study. The results, in my opinion, are inconclusive to the point of being completely unusable/useless (except for perhaps as a topic for an adult English conversation class)... |
Sorry Jim, I was being a little pedantic. Of course, you're right that each city needn't be as cheap or expensive as the survey reports they are. I just like having a dig at the Yomiuri whenever possible.
As far as teaching ideas go, these surveys can be excellent tools for teaching things such as superlatives and comparatives with students having to guess the order of the top ten from choices that you give them. Having Ss give reasons for their choices is a good idea too.
The surveys may be misconceived but unless your lesson is for very high level students you needn't go too deeply into this. The fact that the answer sheet you give your students will say "The Economist" or "The BBC" at the top will give it the illusion of authenticity. |
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Nismo

Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Posts: 520
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| You can make any city seem expensive with enough determination. |
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cornishmuppet
Joined: 27 Mar 2004 Posts: 642 Location: Nagano, Japan
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| I was surprised Moscow came out top, I would have put my money on London for sure! |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| cornishmuppet wrote: |
| I was surprised Moscow came out top, I would have put my money on London for sure! |
Yes, Cornish. But as has already been pointed out several times in the posts above, the rankings and methods are a little suspect. |
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may be going
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 129 Location: australia
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:08 am Post subject: |
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which begs the question again, where and how do you think the relevant people involved get their info? i mean it lists over 100 countries so presumably it takes a lot of time to collate. therefore perhaps it's taken somewhat seriously by its creators??
in such case you'd think s.one must be verifying things somewhere along the line or are they just going for the bill gates type expat and trying to fluff over the silliness of such a method and have us meekly believe their results?
i really am curious having seen seoul in the top 5 also. (i've lived in seoul and it ain't nowhere near as expensive for the everyday things as tokyo) |
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furiousmilksheikali

Joined: 31 Jul 2006 Posts: 1660 Location: In a coffee shop, splitting a 30,000 yen tab with Sekiguchi.
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:19 am Post subject: |
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The company that compiled the report also have given something of a description of its methodology here:
http://www.mercerhr.com/summary.jhtml;jsessionid=JII4FITW3UN1WCTGOUFCIIQKMZ0QUJLW?idContent=1096705
I started reading and became very bored within about a minute so I don't now if the information you seek is there or not, but I did read this:
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| With offices in 39 countries, Mercer is able to bring you factual and objective price information in more than 250 cities around the world. The surveys are conducted by professional researchers in each city. |
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may be going
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 129 Location: australia
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| The surveys are conducted by professional researchers in each city. |
i love that little tidbit!! a quick cursory glance and we all almost universally agree it's a naf survey with big giant holes in it.
and they get to call themselves professional researchers for coming up with it all......lord knows what s.one accurate might be called......... |
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sallycat
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| if you get paid for it, that makes you professional... |
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may be going
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:24 am Post subject: |
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hahaha that's a very loose way of defining professional......that could open up a real can of worms if we defined professionalism that way.
i once got paid to _________________ (insert act of professionalism here) |
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gaijinalways
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:50 am Post subject: |
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It's one part of the defintion of professional. Hence many musicians, some virtually unknown, some great, some indifferent, some bad, are professionals. Might be the same for teachers.....  |
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womblingfree
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:14 am Post subject: |
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At the luxury end of the market Tokyo may be more expensive, but to live? London living is a hell of a lot more expensive than Tokyo, same goes for most major international cities.
Matsuya? Yoshinoya? MoMo Paradise? Local train pass? No matter how much I eat and drink at an izakaya it never seems to be more than 4,000 yen? All night karaoke with unlimited alcohol? Bic Camera points card? An apartment TO YOURSELF!!!
I'd be lucky to get a packet of peanuts in the UK for the price of grilled salmon, rice and salad in Japan. |
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jademonkey
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I lived on 100,000 yen a month for a while in Tokyo, inclusive of everything including eating at a mildly priced place such as Gyu kaku etc once a week or so. I lived in a 1LDK about 15 minutes from Takadanobaba. Tokyo is not expensive unless you either know nothing about it or want to live it up, which it provides for very well. |
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