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Gomi Grief!!
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Sour Grape



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ironopolis wrote:
I would agree that Japan's system probably seems more of a big deal to those of us who come from countries, where we just throw it away and couldn't care less. The UK is very much like that


Not for long. Collection of rubbish is becoming more expensive and less frequent. There will also be more recycling initiatives; no doubt non-compliers will be charged, as is the case with everything in the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6898050.stm
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gonzarelli



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

southofreality wrote:
gonzarelli wrote:
Yeah, the packaging is crazy. I once tried to buy one of those chocolate square blocks for 20 yen. The guy reaches down and tries to bag it! I told him no and he said thanks Confused

What I don't really like is getting a coffee to go. Why does it go into a huge paper bag? Just let me carry it as it is. The way things are packaged makes me think it's Christmas year round in Japan.


Not having a go at you, gonzarelli. But just a little bit of Japanese study can prevent this.

Don't want the bag?: fukuro nashi de ii desu.
"I'll take it as is" (cup of coffee): kappu no mama de ii desu.


I appreciate your willingness to help. However, I have absolutely mastered the phrases you've mentioned. I can't even begin to count how many times I've requested no bag or extra packaging. I almost feel burnt out I've done it so often. I've even had to argue my way to less packaging.

My point was: why do things have to go into that extra bag? I just wish some store cashiers would simply ask if I want a bag. I visited Taiwan over Christmas and I found that the cashiers seldom gave me a bag unless I asked for one. Other times, they asked if I needed one. A refreshing change!

How can garbage be reduced in Japan? By hitting people where it hurts them the most...their wallets. A system of user pays is a good start. No wonder I wasn't give plastic bags in Taiwan.

In Taiwan, they've adopted a user pay system.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0615/p07s02-woap.html
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southofreality



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hear ya, gonz.

I usually have to tell the clerk at MickeyD's not to put the paper bag filled with my order into a plastic bag. But, on positive note, a brand new girl who had never served me before, actually asked me if I needed the second bag. Wink
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Inflames



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

southofreality wrote:
I hear ya, gonz.

I usually have to tell the clerk at MickeyD's not to put the paper bag filled with my order into a plastic bag. But, on positive note, a brand new girl who had never served me before, actually asked me if I needed the second bag. Wink


I think McDonald's is the worst offender with bags and everything. Once, one of my friends was at Lawson's with a trainee (and the supervisor right over her shoulder). He kept saying he didn't need a bag, but she kept trying to give him one. Apparently this went on for a few minutes until he just took it and left.

Back to garbage, it can be a bit crazy. Where I live, none of the Japanese people follow all the rules. One of my flatmates would do something that made it obvious it was our garbage, so they would just go through our garbage, picking out the smallest crap and ignoring everyone else's garbage (as foreigners can't follow the rules, but Japanese can).
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a big movement in my ward to reduce plastic bags. In most supermarkets you are either charged 1- 5 yen for a plastic bag or you get a 2 yen discount for bringing your own. A piffling amount but it does seem to make people think. I also have no problem getting convenience store/ coffee shop staff not to put things in bags, as long as I'm quick enough with the "sono mama de ii desu".

Many of my Japanese friends totally agree with me on the packaging problem in Japan, but then most of my friends are alternative types who attend Earth Day celebrations...

Even though I sometimes put the garbage out the night before I seem to have avoided the gomi nazis my whole time in Japan, (9 years) probably because I have always lived in very urban areas. Our building has auto-lock as well so I can't imagine anyone returning our garbage to our door.

I've never considered it a hassle to separate the garbage, but then where I'm from (Auckland, NZ) we have had to do that for years- I didn't realise other countries weren't also doing that kind of thing.
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Dipso



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I live in a building where everyone is foreign. The gomi goes out when it's full and no one ever says a word.
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J.



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:01 pm    Post subject: Time for Mother Reply with quote

Around here it's always the Mother's job to take out the garbage, even when she has strapping teenagers sitting around. I would think that that has something to do with people making rules for narrow time periods for putting the garbage out. The only one available to do it is someone who has flexible time, probably someone working at home.

And are you sure it's always the cats? This week I surprised a large crow having a garbage breakfast.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the crows where I live, they make way more mess than cats too. I often leave home quite early and almost always see one pulling garbage all over the place near our building. They are strong enough to move whole bags quite a distance.
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Inflames



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where I live it's usually cats. Sometimes it's homeless people. If you go out around midnight, you can see them tearing through the bags.
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ndorfn



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think most japanese are slack with recycling. loads of them don't give a toss about recycling cardboard and paper, just throwing it out with the other rubbish, same with polystyrene containers.

I reckon they should be stricter.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some people who have nothing better to do and want to hassle others over garbage. My Japanese wife had a run in with one, old lady who later got too old and now can no longer go and 'protect' the neighbors. Our 'nutter' across the street complains, but he comnplains about people putting out garbage on the wrong days, something I am not crazy about either.
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VanKen



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:02 pm    Post subject: Recycling schedule Reply with quote

JimDunlop2 wrote:
I made the mistake of taking something out on the wrong day (ON THE ADVICE OF A LOCAL NIHONJIN I MIGHT ADD) and got completely lambasted for it for no good reason. All they had to do was politely inform me not to do it again and let it rest.

Isn't the recycling schedule posted next to the garbage area? Reading it would certainly make things clearer, moreso than asking a friend who may or may not know the rules...


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JimDunlop2



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:20 am    Post subject: Re: Recycling schedule Reply with quote

VanKen wrote:
Isn't the recycling schedule posted next to the garbage area? Reading it would certainly make things clearer, moreso than asking a friend who may or may not know the rules...


Interestingly enough, no it isn't. In fact, there is nothing to even indicate that it is indeed a gomi area, period. Where I live, knowing where AND when to take out the trash relies on two factors.

1. WHERE: You have to ask your landlord or neighbours

2. WHEN: You either ask your landlord or neighbours OR obtain a schedule sheet from the city.

Believe me, after my faux pas, the very next day I had all kinds of schedules in my mailbox (Office-Space style)....

Therefore, asking a local who may not know the rules is probably not the best solution, but a little quicker than going to the city to ask for a schedule sheet for your neighborhood.
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Brooks



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well Jim you live out in Tochigi, right? Sounds like they are behind the curve, up there.
I live in Kanagawa, and there are signs which state which days are for recycling and which ones are for garbage.

The city of Sagamihara has a website and information is posted in English about recycling, garbage, etc.

I assume cities of Tochigi has city websites but they may be in Japanese only.
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Yawarakaijin



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I may have lucked out. I'm in Sagamiono not to far from Brooks and I just go to town with my garbage. There is no information outside our gomi area and for 2 years I just put it out when I felt like it. Never been hassled. I did follow the rules regarding to big gomi and bought tickets and never had any old ladies come to my place.
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