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[naturegirl321]

[Vanica]

[quote="GambateBingBangBOOM
The baby will almost definately automatically be a Canadian citizen, unless you tell the doctor that you aren't Canadian.

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I was told that my daughter would not be Canadian if she were born before I was a landed immigrant/resident, and no medical expense would be covered. And the hospital costs would be prohibitive. So my baby was born in NY at no expense, and automatically became a US citizen at birth. And now we are both Canadian citizens.

[koshechka]

thank you very much to all who have answered,

melee, we do know about the conasyt and my husband will try to get it, he has a friend who is studying at columbia university for free, that's something ($53,000). the problem is that you would then have to return to mexico, and having lived in cholula and puebla for two years, well, it's just not something we really want to do. i would like to stay put somewhere for a longer period of time, and having a baby, well i don't think that all this moving around is all that great. but, thanks, i didn't know that the conasyt also covers the medical insurance, how does that work exactly? if i come to canada pregnant, they would pay for the costs of having a baby there?

vanica, it seems that you've chosen to do what i consider to be option b, are you an american citizen, and did you have a baby with medicaid? how did you both become canadia, how long does this take in general?

thank you GambateBingBangBOOM for a detailed response, i know that the US is also difficult to get into, that said, i have been unpleasantly surprised by canadian people in other forums, it seems that they are all against immigration when it's something normal that happens and enriches the host country enormously. well, that's what i think at least. so, maybe this sending in documents from the states will work, how is vancouver by the way, worth all this trouble?
thanks again,
koshechka

[MELEE]

[Vanica]

[misterbrownpants]

ok so here is my situation
i am a canadian citizen by birth - i am canadian
i married a uruguayan - and recieved uruguayan residency (it took a while tho.. .and it is only valid for 3 years after that im not sure what i have to do...)
we had a baby... he is canadian through me - and uruguayan through my husband (he was born here in uruguay) although we have yet to recieve the citizenship card for him from the government (over 1!!!!!!!!!!! year waiting!!!!!)
we thought about immigrating to canada.. through the family class application.. but decided against it.. why?
well let me explain to you..
1) i love canada i think it is a land full of opportunities.. and choices.. and everything.. the small towns are a lot more pleasant than the cities.. with the growing increase in crime it makes me a little nervous that i would send my baby to a school where either he has to walk through metal detectors to go to class or learn lock down rules in kindergarden...
2) the process takes MORE than 2 years - there are some countries that have priority.. others do not.
3) the cost of living is really REALLY expensive in canada.. and well in our case my husband is not really a professional but can get work doing whatever.. and i just have a BA we would be BELOW the poverty line for sure...
4) the cost of raising a baby in canada is alot as well... diapers alone per month can run up to $200!!!
health care - you have to make sure in the fine print that they will cover you if you get pregos. there is a possibility that they wont cover you. and hospital bills can run up to 2000$ / day!!! not to mention every other thing they charge for
vancouver is lovely - it depends where you livethough... north van is where the ricos live but it is ohhhh so pretty... then there is hastings street where you can see at every street corner someone shooting up heroine or trying to sell you some... then theres robson street which is full of action and hipsters....
in the long and short of it we decided that we dont have a chance to live the same way/style that we live down here.. me being an english teacher and my DH being a public construction worker.. although perhaps they are not high status jobs.. we make a lot between the two of us each month... (for here)
we are able to spend alot of time as a family and watch our son grow up in a healthy positive environment. we live 2 blocks from the beach in a quite beach town... we have private health care.. and are all quite happy.
canada is great immigration is not...make sure you are going there for the right reasons...

[koshechka]

thanks for your advice. i have to say that i am not at all decided. i agree with misterbrownpants, the good thing about latin america it that it's underdeveloped. i too feel that getting a job here, being a gringa, is a lot easier than anywhere else, especially if you teach english. that said, would you want your children's teachers to be hired just for this reason? or worse yet, i teach the future teachers of english at a university and i think maybe 5% i would entrust my child to. so this is the underside of the ease that we live off. at what age can a child go to day care in canada? is it paid and expensive? why do you say that the health care is crap, i thought it was too good to be true and all that, michael moore, whom i don't really trust showed this in his movie. any more thoughts on vancouver will be greatly appreciated, how's the public transport, cultural life etc.
thanks once more,
koshechka

[misterbrownpants]

umm its not crap the health care its just well for example you have your baby and are pushed out in less than 12hs!!! here at least i was able to stay for a few days!!!
daycare can start at birth pratically and can run up to 2000$ + / month...
with regards to school.. think about the public system in canada as well.. there are more than enough kids in each class... i dunno how much private is? or even if its any better
culturally speaking van has a large asian population

[canadashirleyblue]

Just a couple of points -

If you are born in Canada you are a Canadian citizen. I have had a baby in Canada and no doctor ever asked or cared what my nationality was (I have dual nationality). I think there is the rare case of diplomats from another country that is an exception.

In terms of immigration it would serve no useful purpose for the parents if their child was born in Canada.

Canadian government medical insurance does not depend on paying taxes. Many people (including pregnant women and children) receive free medical care who do not pay taxes. To be eligible there are residency requirements. In BC you need to be a citizen or permanent resident, make your home there and be physically present in the province for 6 months. There is a 3 month waiting period. If you are not a permanent resident you would need to take out private health insurance. They would be quite happy to let you have your baby on the street or more likely deport you. I remember working in a hospital once and seeing an Indian woman with cancer going home to her son's to wait while the Indian community raised the money for her operation. You are expected to have sufficient funds for your stay in Canada when you arrive.

[Vanica]

No, the baby takes the nationality of the mother if the mother does not have some kind of residence status. I was in this situation myself. Your health card at your hospital admittance would have been proof of residency. The hospital in Bromont QC often ship Vermont women and their newborns back to the border post in an ambulance and just leave them there. They told me not to try it, it's not pretty.

[Vanica]

[MELEE]

I know that Koshechka already said she didn't like living in Mexico. I personally can't fathom why, but to each their own.
Here in Mexico my girls' daycare is paid for by IMSS. (Instituto Mexicano de Seguro Social) they center they go to is actually a private center with an IMSS contract. So I know that for private care they charge 880 pesos a month (includes two meals) plus an annual registration fee of about 1000 pesos. Since I have two kids that would be 1760 pesos a month, but instead my IMSS deductions from my paycheck is less than 500 a month and I would pay it whether we used the service or not. They can start at the end of the state mandanated materinty leave which is 40 days. Mine started at 1 year because I had a 1 year paid sabbatical that I took after the end of my maternity leave. I'm happy with the quality of care they recieve. As for schools and teachers and trusting them with your kids. I believe education is a family's resposiblity, I wouldn't count on a school in any country, the US, Canada, Mexico, or anywhere to educate my children, that's my job. In school they will meet other children and learn to get along with people who are different from them. If they learn a few other things, that will be a plus. I would never immigrate for the sake of education. Education happens where ever people have a love for learning. But again, to each their own.

This doesn't affect Koshechka as her husband is Mexican, but just for other interested readers, a baby born in Mexico is automatically Mexican and the parents can use the baby to apply for citizenship (the process requires two years residency in Mexico).

[Vanica]

I would emigrate for better education for my children!

[naturegirl321]

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