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colonel
Joined: 19 Jul 2005
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Location: Nanyang and Cha-Am
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My mother is terminal - she died in 1985.
My experience at Nanyang was in no way similar to that of Brian Caulfield - hence my questions.
I've been around a while and seen people making mountains out of molehills.
I didn't work there for six months.
I didn't have to pay for utilities.
I did pay for a quicker internet connection, 600RMB for a year.
I had no problems there hence my query as to the O.P's. line.
I was told by incumbent F.Ts that 'some' previous F. Ts had been given their marching orders.
I have no 'attachment' to Nanyang other than I, and my family, were treated to an enjoyable meal before we left.
I have received an excellent reference from them and I have accepted an offer to work in another part of China in September.
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| colonel wrote: |
My mother is terminal - she died in 1985.
My experience at Nanyang was in no way similar to that of Brian Caulfield - hence my questions.
I've been around a while and seen people making mountains out of molehills.
I didn't work there for six months.
I didn't have to pay for utilities.
I did pay for a quicker internet connection, 600RMB for a year.
I had no problems there hence my query as to the O.P's. line.
I was told by incumbent F.Ts that 'some' previous F. Ts had been given their marching orders.
I have no 'attachment' to Nanyang other than I, and my family, were treated to an enjoyable meal before we left.
I have received an excellent reference from them and I have accepted an offer to work in another part of China in September.
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All of this might be wonderful EXCEPT
1. The Colonel, in spite of his previous instances, does not provide conclusive details as to time, place, etc., dates, or any other specifics which might allow us to give credence to what he writes.
2. All too often on this Board we see the likes of these Paul X. characters, who for whatever reasonm, do the management's bidding in rather sullied affairs.
3. On numerous websites, and not only this one, the tales of woe about these two colleges, which are posted by numerous different FT's, often witness the same complaints and the same reasons for unhappiness.
Frankly, this must be the season again for paid political advertisements on this Board.
Brian, I'm with you on this one -- completely.
HFG
And I also had some dealings with these schools at one point and even before the hiring process became serious, they were flushed. |
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ymmv
Joined: 14 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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And I also had some dealings with these schools at one point and even before the hiring process became serious, they were flushed. |
Just out of curiosity, how is that you have had so many dealings with so many schools in your 4.5 [u]short[u] years here, HFG? Are they real personal experiences? Do you live vicariously through the lows (and highs) of similarly-situated foreign teachers? Do you like to pass on stories you hear or read as your own? Do you occasionally exaggerate your "many years" of experience in China? |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
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And I also had some dealings with these schools at one point and even before the hiring process became serious, they were flushed. |
Just out of curiosity, how is that you have had so many dealings with so many schools in your 4.5 [u]short[u] years here, HFG? Are they real personal experiences? Do you live vicariously through the lows (and highs) of similarly-situated foreign teachers? Do you like to pass on stories you hear or read as your own? Do you occasionally exaggerate your "many years" of experience in China? |
How I have come to these experiences is none of your business and I am not inclined to justify myself to one little, anonymous, rude, poster.
Additionally, I have taken the time to go back to read all of your 169 posts that you have made to date -- of these, 3 were substantive, the rest were vacuous nonsense, more often than pure simply flames or calloused remarks. What does that add to this Board? |
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jwbhomer
Joined: 14 Dec 2003
Posts: 876
Location: CANADA
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| Well HFG...it DOES seem that there isn't a school or a recruiter that you don't purport to know about and have something (usually negative) to say about. Just on the current page of this forum you've disparaged BSK, Epoch Recruiting and Alcanta. Your comments may be quite right, but ymmv was just asking how you come by all this "inside knowledge". I thought ymmv's question was a pretty good one, deserving of an answer. And I remind you of your own comment, just a couple of posts above, about not providing sufficient details to lend credence to your comments. |
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vikuk
Joined: 23 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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How can you guys be so nasty to the saintly HFG - you'll be saying next that his practice of getting folk to PM him over finding new jobs connects him with recruiting. Shame on you  |
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Ahchoo
Joined: 22 Mar 2007
Posts: 606
Location: Earth
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| How can you guys be so nasty to the saintly HFG - you'll be saying next that his practice of getting folk to PM him over finding new jobs connects him with recruiting. Shame on you |
Yes but hasn't he sworn off helping people after some ingrates didn't offer him the proper groveling thank you's?
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| I have taken the time to go back to read all of your 169 posts that you have made to date |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 989
Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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I would like to respond to the last there posters more-or-less collectively.
To our very kind JWBHomer in Toronto.
I am sorry that you had to pull a midnight runner from your last job and you had leave the country in what another poster on this board has described as a rather precipitated exit. I am also truly sorry that you can probably never come back but nonetheless, even though all of this leaves you obviously exceptionally bitter about those here who have done well, you may wish to consider addressing the posts instead of always attacking the messenger. This is a wonderful and helpful board for those of us in China and for those others who have the possibility of either returning here for another job or coming for the first time.
In any case, enjoy Canada. I guess the doors of China are closed for you. What a pity! Truly! Personally just because you had one failed experience here in China does not mean that overall...
To our very kind Achoo somewhere-over-the-rainbow,
You have become what I might call my own private "yap dog"...whenever I make a post, you find a way to be rude and follow in the footsteps of the person above. Your kindness in ceasing to behave so pathologically rudely would be most apprec.iated and I can only hope that you are capable of such a gesture.
I must say, however, that given your five (5) different log-on personalities on this Board, there must be a reason that you do what you but it escapes me. I for one only harbor the kindest of all feelings towards you, although given the bipolarity of all these personalities, I find your postings not very credible but none-the-less wish you well with your life...although I am not sure to which of your log-ons I should address these kind wishes.
I can only encourage you to remain with the message and not always eviscerate the messenger.
To our not-so-kind Vikuk,
Your posts are totally irrelevant to me, as are you as a person. Your rude comments will not drive me from this board and I will not be bullied off this Board by an anonymous poster such as yourself. This is NOT your board, believe it or not, and it is open to others and I suggest that you ruminate on that a bit.
To all of these posters above -- just like naughty, ill-bred children on an outing...but I would seriously encourage you to be polite, respect the messenger, and deal with the message, if that is possible. Is it?
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jwbhomer
Joined: 14 Dec 2003
Posts: 876
Location: CANADA
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| I am sorry that you had to pull a midnight runner from your last job and you had leave the country in what another poster on this board has described as a rather precipitated exit. I am also truly sorry that you can probably never come back but nonetheless, even though all of this leaves you obviously exceptionally bitter about those here who have done well, you may wish to consider addressing the posts instead of always attacking the messenger. HFG |
Very strange. I don't remember any other poster commenting adversely on my departure from my last job in China, and you are the only one to to use the expression "midnight runner", which is quite at odds with the facts. I was quite open in giving the circumstances of my departure, which is a lot more than can be said about your persistent refusal to give any details of the many jobs you claim to have held in your 4+ years in China.
You want to talk about successful? I had two good jobs in three years, with contracts renewed both times. Although I occasionally crossed swords with the university administration, I enjoyed teaching my Chinese students and was good at it. I have written references and testimonials from my colleagues and students to prove it. What about you?
There are many posters in these forums who are bitter about China. I am not one of them. Three years was enough for me. I could go back tomorrow if I wanted to, but I got tired of travelling. There comes as time when we should all go home.
I am not jealous at all of those who have been truly successful in China (not those who flit from one job to another and leave a wake of bile behind them) and have elected to stay on. I wish them all well.
Finally, HFG, you do seem to be picking up detractors here at a rate of knots. Why are so many people persecuting you? Poor you! Could it have anything to do with your condescending, know-it-all attitude and your propensity to throw stones and then retreat into your glass house? Maybe you should watch your mouth, and consider yourself lucky that the laws of libel can't be enforced on the Net. |
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colonel
Joined: 19 Jul 2005
Posts: 89
Location: Nanyang and Cha-Am
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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colonel wrote:
My mother is terminal - she died in 1985.
My experience at Nanyang was in no way similar to that of Brian Caulfield - hence my questions.
I've been around a while and seen people making mountains out of molehills.
I didn't work there for six months.
I didn't have to pay for utilities.
I did pay for a quicker internet connection, 600RMB for a year.
I had no problems there hence my query as to the O.P's. line.
I was told by incumbent F.Ts that 'some' previous F. Ts had been given their marching orders.
I have no 'attachment' to Nanyang other than I, and my family, were treated to an enjoyable meal before we left.
I have received an excellent reference from them and I have accepted an offer to work in another part of China in September.
Each to his own
All of this might be wonderful EXCEPT
1. The Colonel, in spite of his previous instances, does not provide conclusive details as to time, place, etc., dates, or any other specifics which might allow us to give credence to what he writes.
A copy of my mother's death certificate can be provided.
All of this might be wonderful EXCEPT wonderful!!
A copy of my reference can be provided.
If you can be more specific re, "does not provide conclusive details as to time, place, etc., dates, or any other specifics which might allow us to give credence to what he writes".
I'll give you all the credence you need.
As a bonus I'll include 'evidence' of a 'positive experience' at Nanyang Normal University from a Ph. D.
I can not pretend that life in China was perfect but, I will defend an institution that treated me, and my family, with respect. |
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vikuk
Joined: 23 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the sermon HFG - I'm sure my cyber-character will improve by quantum leaps after your stern lecture
But I'm still in a muddle over how you apparently seem to have acquired so much exact info over such a variety of schools that leads you into to being able to proffer such assured and certain advice to prospective FT's. Surely this talent can't built up through a mere filtering of postal hearsay � so you must know a heck of a lot of FT's and personaly check-out scores of schools.
Just out of curiosity, how many of you folk here run across this HFG character carrying out his noble role of schools-inspector?????????? |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Well, getting back to the topic, being in Henan many years, I have heard many similar stories to Brian's. But then, at the same time, there have a few people I know that found their time there worthwhile.
Can't we all just be friends? (please don't notice the machine gun taped to my back   These posts reminds back during the time of SARS, and every one going stir crazy. Oh my, but wasn't that a vicious time
I want to say Burl Ives, the guy with the girl legs and boots? Seems he taught there? Someone PM him for his two cents before this thread gets erased.
HFG I, for two, am curious about where you have been. It is hard to hear you criticize Colonel for providing sketchy details of experiences without thinking of your own lack of references. |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 989
Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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HFG I, for two, am curious about where you have been. It is hard to hear you criticize Colonel for providing sketchy details of experiences without thinking of your own lack of references. |
Fair enough question and phrased very politely.
From current-to-previous :
China, four, soon-to-be, five years, various places.
Russia (Moscow) almost four years, taught in a "spetz shkola" for the elite.
Japan, almost five years.
Argentina, three years.
Brazil, also almost three years.
Canada, one long and cold winter.
France, four (or almost years).
The States, in between all of that, a good number of years.
All the best,
HFG |
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tw
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Dear HFG,
I think, for the sake of being left alone, you should just tell them how and why you know practically about every recruiter and every school there is. You know these relentless insults, attacks, and pesterings are not going to stop unless you give in. Then again, I admire you for your tough will. |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 989
Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:54 am Post subject: |
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Dear HFG,
I think, for the sake of being left alone, you should just tell them how and why you know practically about every recruiter and every school there is. You know these relentless insults, attacks, and pesterings are not going to stop unless you give in. Then again, I admire you for your tough will. |
Dear TW,
Thank you for your message. I don't know everything and anything about all these recruiters -- I have been here long enough to have developed a very cohesive network of professional colleagues and associates and it is quite a large network and information is easily attainable. Next, many of the questions that are asked have been answered on this Board thousands and thousands of times but many are simply too lazy or unwilling to use the search function. There seems to be a sense of entitlement around here which simply does not exist. One poster yesterday, I believe it was JWBHomer, criticized me for negatively commenting upon x, y and z, when all I did was pull all of the threads on these matters and refer to the comments of the posters. As for the inmates running the asylum, no problem.
HFG |
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