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JZer
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| There are questions as to child safety/sexual predators (yes several teachers have been arrested/deported for this) wether to much English exposure is right at that age. etc etc. |
Yes, Korea and Taiwan are crazy. They don't even do background checks. I cannot believe that people are put into Korean public schools without being checked to see if they are sexual predators. It is unthinkable. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| In England you would have to be a qualified nursery nurse or teacher. Many teachers here are not qualified to teach at any level, A degree in astro physics and a 2 week tefl piece of paper means you can teach:) |
Has there ever been any proof that someone with 10 years experience and no teaching degree is better than someone with 10 years of experience and no teaching degree.
Many things can be learned outside the classroom and one does not need some irrelvant university paper to be able to do them. |
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SanChong
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Has there ever been any proof that someone with 10 years experience and no teaching degree is better than someone with 10 years of experience and no teaching degree.
Many things can be learned outside the classroom and one does not need some irrelvant university paper to be able to do them. |
You are right of course. Any individual without a degree has the potential to be a much more capable teacher than many people who do have a degree.
However, on a whole, a degree does mean something.
On average, if you compared 100 people with a degree and 100 people without a degree, you would likely see a difference in their intellectual development, experience, etc.
I think the law is a fair one, overall. Also, this rule is not different than laws in our own countries (a lot more lenient in fact).
So, while I agree with you in spirit, I don't have any problem with this law. Overall, it's fair. |
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BJ
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Ah the old debate, experience versus paperwork. SOrry mate simply put. Organisations/givernment, expecially in Asia, want peices of paper. Experience is secondary and rarely gives you any benifit/extra pay here.
Perspective - I want to teach as much as I want - You may want but is it
a. Good for you.
b. Good for the students (overtired)
c. Good for the company (commitment to their organisation)
d. Good for the locals (taking jobs from the natives)
e. Good for fellow tecahers (pricing/lack of opportunities)
One thing I dont understand, you have made over 1,500 posts yet you ask question life should have taught you whilst overseas? where were you before Taiwan, Korea?,
Pieces of paper, only give an insight into the level of education a person has. anyone can say i have 10 years xp, and simply lie. NO one is arguing which is better. You also seem to compare like for like if you re read you post.
I presume your own degree is therefore worthless? and you have 10 years of experience? |
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JZer
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| One thing I dont understand, you have made over 1,500 posts yet you ask question life should have taught you whilst overseas? where were you before Taiwan, Korea?, |
I have only lived in Korea. I am looking for a country that will allow me to teach a lot. Maybe it does not exist. If so then I will go back home. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| I presume your own degree is therefore worthless? |
This is not whether degrees are worthless but degrees don't mean someone can or can not do x. Someone with a high school degree could teach English. That does not mean that everyone could but that people can teach themselves and that the learning needs of certain students are not met in the classroom. Those people sometimes learn better by themselves. Not to mention shouldn't the point of an education be for one to people to teach themselves. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:17 am Post subject: |
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| Good for the company (commitment to their organisation) |
I am not sure that one could claim that wanting to work more has any influence about someone's commitment level to the organization. Some people may want to work the least hours so they can do something else(i.e. write a book, study Mandarin, party, etc.) At the very least, someone who wants to work is probably not out getting drunk. |
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Mr. Kalgukshi
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| Two off-topic and ad hominem postings deleted. Thread locked. |
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