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u24tc
Joined: 14 May 2007
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Location: Dalian, China
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Midlothian Mapleheart
Joined: 26 May 2005
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OK, I'll send you a PM regarding some positions I know of in Shanghai. Get in touch with me by e-mail soon.
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rel
Joined: 02 Apr 2005
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Id have to agree with TW on this one in regards to the timing issue. The new semester has just started and I dont think FAOs are interested in recruiting for about another few months. I also would never pay to get a job.. thats just a waste of money and can be better spent on vacation :p
Im in Hangzhou (about 2.5 hours from shanghai) right now in a public/private college and the school is looking for teachers. Id recommend you to try to apply to public schools/institutions (calling them or visit in person) as I would think they would place more on your skills and talents as opposed to having a white face.
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ZiCheng
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
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Location: Toronto, Canada.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks to all |
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With a passport that says you were born in China and no English name, your chances of getting a teaching job in China as a foreign teacher, in my opinion, is as good as nill.
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| -If above method fails: Use the i to i placement service to get me a job in Shanghai. It costs about 500 canadian dollars (discounted price). I'm willing to pay that to get a job in Shanghai. |
Never, NEVER pay to get a teaching job in China no matter how desperate you are.
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Yowsers, if my chances are nill then I should have payed to get a teaching job a month ago! I know that paying to get a low paying job makes no economic sense, but it does in my situation, since I have just graduated, eager to get out of the country for an adventure, and do not currently have a job and living with my parents (which I'm not proud of, may I add).
Thanks for the detailed answers once again, and the grim reality check. I'm taking everybody's suggestions very seriously, even the adopting the english name part, I may have to re-evaluate how much my ideals are worth in dollars and cents over the next few days.
As far as this being a bad time to apply, I certainly feel that this is true, though I have sent out... probably two dozen applications by now, and all in responce to job ads that were recently posted, so I'm definitely being turned down by them in favour of more suitable candidates.
I'm going to try to look for shorter contracts outside of Jiangsu. If nothing happens, I'll either book a flight to Suzhou (where most of my family are) or phone i to i to pay for a job, depends on how lucky I feel.
Thanks for all your support.
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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-If above method fails: Use the i to i placement service to get me a job in Shanghai. It costs about 500 canadian dollars (discounted price). I'm willing to pay that to get a job in Shanghai.
Never, NEVER pay to get a teaching job in China no matter how desperate you are. |
yes, NEVER PAY TO get a job. it isn't just a matter of paying out the money. You will have guaranteed yourself the worst possible job and environment assuming it isn't just a scam.
If you don't want to change your name, that's your right, but a Chinese name and looking Chinese is a definite stopper for many reasons that I wouldn't want to get into here. Espcially a kiss of death if you are not talking to them in person, where they can be impressed by your totally fluent english
Couldn't agree more ... the big language mills would be the worst place. Even laowai working as DOS don't want to hire you because they know what the boss will say, due to what they know/think the students will say. But, as was said, the unis have mostly already started, so some still need a laowai, but not in Shanghai. How about a polluted little town in the nowwhere of Henan?
I wa impressed, a lot of honest answers without being nasty |
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InTime
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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Location: CHINA-at-large
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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For Shanghai teachers
http://www.shanghaienglishteachers.com/seta_jobs.html#SETA_teachers_wanted
Another alternative
A non-school
One that doesn't have the semester system
Red Horse Lake has opportunities for flexible schedules, as the students come and go every 3--5 days, as part of the curriculum for Changsha public high schools.
As well, the Group owns the Changsha 2nd Foreign Language School, so they'll be sending U. students for brief/lengthy Intensives as well.
These contracts were recently signed, so now they're looking for teachers.
Check them out at www.redhorselake.com.cn
PM me if interested.
P.S. Blue skies. Great air. Lakeside villas w/green views. Free food. No massage (yet...) Tai Chi/Mandarin training free |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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I am getting E-mail job offers from all over right now as schools scramble to fill open spots at the last minute. You still have a good chance but MUST DIRECT your resume to these institutions that are still looking.
The rest will just toss your application into bin-13.
PM me and I'll copy and paste some of the jobs I am getting right now which are either ones in China or located in Taiwan.
Good luck |
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jg
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Ralph Lauren Pueblo
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| Thanks for the detailed answers once again, and the grim reality check. I'm taking everybody's suggestions very seriously, even the adopting the english name part, I may have to re-evaluate how much my ideals are worth in dollars and cents over the next few days. |
I hope you were joking about attaching your ideals to your wallet. Like everyone else said, native speakers with some patience will get what they want. Maybe you might want to try to get into a public school in Shanghai starting next Spring, the pay is decent -8000 for native speakers last time I checked. In the meantime you could work at home for 2 or 3 months, live with the folks and pocket all your earnings, arrive in Shanghai in January with fat pockets and time to lounge, look for the gravy jobs, and investigate the jazz scene. Don't worry about living with your folks, just sneak your girlfriends in the basement after dark, and wait until they fill up their tank before you borrow their car. Plus who can beat mom's cooking? I feel like moving back home myself!
Good on you for wanting to keep your name! There ought to be more of that going round, IMO.  |
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ZiCheng
Joined: 13 Apr 2007
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Location: Toronto, Canada.
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I hope you were joking about attaching your ideals to your wallet. Like everyone else said, native speakers with some patience will get what they want. [...]
Good on you for wanting to keep your name! There ought to be more of that going round, IMO. |
Thanks jp, my ideals (one of them, anyway) consisted of my belief that a Chinese guy shouldn't have to use a Western name to fit in a Western country, ironically that seems to have made it very difficult to get the aforementioned Chinese guy a job in China. So I've reevaluated the situation and I've decided to adopt an English name just for the purpose of getting a job, which feels pretty phony, but is just practical at this point, and I don't feel bad about doing it presently.
By the way, I'm not a native speaker per se, though I'm commonly mistaken for one. English is my second language, but my dominant language, and my ability in my native language is deplorable. I say on my CV that my English is "Native speaker equivalent". Another strike against me, I know. |
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SnoopBot
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To be honest I think being ethnic Chinese and having near native speaking ability is a good example for students to see.
I've been told by younger learners things like, "English is easy for foreigners because you're not Chinese."
They basically think Whites have a different physical structure that allows the pronounciation of complex English words!
Having an ethnic Chinese born abroad or that grew up most of their life abroad sets a good example that the students can master the language too.
However, the common mentality of the Chinese staff is for the perception of complete "foreigness" as a marketing tool for their program.
I have seen real Native Speakers NOT get the position because a taller, Blonde haired, Blue-eyed heavily accented teacher from the former Soviet Empire "looked more western"!
It cannot get worse than that, when a shorter, red haired , Native Speaker w/good qualifications and experience is not selected over the accented male model type just based on their looks. |
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tw
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| By the way, I'm not a native speaker per se, though I'm commonly mistaken for one. English is my second language, but my dominant language, and my ability in my native language is deplorable. I say on my CV that my English is "Native speaker equivalent". Another strike against me, I know. |
You are a native speaker of ENGLISH, as you have been spending most of your life speaking it the majority of time in your daily life. |
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Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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Location: Coastal Guangdong
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Thanks jp, my ideals (one of them, anyway) consisted of my belief that a Chinese guy shouldn't have to use a Western name to fit in a Western country, ironically that seems to have made it very difficult to get the aforementioned Chinese guy a job in China. So I've reevaluated the situation and I've decided to adopt an English name just for the purpose of getting a job, which feels pretty phony, but is just practical at this point, and I don't feel bad about doing it presently.
By the way, I'm not a native speaker per se, though I'm commonly mistaken for one. English is my second language, but my dominant language, and my ability in my native language is deplorable. I say on my CV that my English is "Native speaker equivalent". Another strike against me, I know. |
i have also kept my real name (which of course i use on this forum as well).
as for your "native speaker equivalency..." sir, you really need to brush up on resume embellishment 101. tell em what they want to hear.... after all, lies can become the truth, as long as YOU believe it. (besides you seem to be native speaker-like anyway). |
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InTime
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SnoopBot wrote:
PM me and I'll copy and paste some of the jobs I am getting right now which are either ones in China or located in Taiwan.
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| in China or located in Taiwan |
Hmmm...if one wrote
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| in USA or located in Hawaii |
...it could be assumed that one were possibly:
*ignorant of geography
..........or.................
*a supporter of the Native Hawaiian Liberation Movement
(a legally-/historically-justifiable movement
For one to make such a "Taiwan Liberation" stand in China (or on a China's FT Forum), one should realize that many-many will justifiably feel compelled to challenge such a radical policy statement (contrary to "One China" policy of UN and international law).
The phrase used here-in-China is...
"Taiwan and the Mainland"
As in..."Hawaii and the Mainland"
To state "China and Taiwan" here-in-China...is, to say the least, provocative. If that's the intention...so be it.
Otherwise, re-consider your words/paradigms... |
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william wallace
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| Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| If you're Chinese from China...can't you get your family to help you out, as I'm sure you're quite fluent in Chinese. |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
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| InTime wrote: |
SnoopBot wrote:
PM me and I'll copy and paste some of the jobs I am getting right now which are either ones in China or located in Taiwan.
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| in China or located in Taiwan |
Hmmm...if one wrote
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| in USA or located in Hawaii |
...it could be assumed that one were possibly:
*ignorant of geography
..........or.................
*a supporter of the Native Hawaiian Liberation Movement
(a legally-/historically-justifiable movement
For one to make such a "Taiwan Liberation" stand in China (or on a China's FT Forum), one should realize that many-many will justifiably feel compelled to challenge such a radical policy statement (contrary to "One China" policy of UN and international law).
The phrase used here-in-China is...
"Taiwan and the Mainland"
As in..."Hawaii and the Mainland"
To state "China and Taiwan" here-in-China...is, to say the least, provocative. If that's the intention...so be it.
Otherwise, re-consider your words/paradigms... |
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I specified locations China is not Taiwan and Taiwan is not China. I was not sure if he wanted to look at the Taiwan positions because he said he was more interested in China.
Teaching is different in both countries with pay, hours, duties, visa issues and qualifications. So I indicated seperate areas.
That would save me the trouble of posting the TW jobs in the PM.
No political meaning intended.
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