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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Do this:
1st week Assessment- use generic Introduction for all students.
Introduce yourself - simplified version
Students introduce themselves - then when complete you introduce yourself - detailed version- and allow free questions.
Give the rules and regulations, talk about second language acquisition and the importance of language linguistics - simplified
Give out a listening and oral ability progress sheet- this to be used and brought to each class.
1st assignment = give at least 5 topics that THEY want to talk about in class.
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2nd week
1. Complete assignment baseline to set the tone and pace, develop topics from the 5 topics each student wants to discuss.
Benchmarks/goals
develop language listening ability
use methods to overcome L2 ego problems to secure the L2 identity.
Start the topics
3rd - week continue from week 2
Start activities
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4th week
Do an assessment using their oral and listening self-critique sheets.
Start to reinforce L2 by doing group presentation work
limit listening building and start oral based presentations
later weeks-start single oral based presentations, slang and common error drills
Increase activities and group work
Optional- debates- plays, sensitive issues, team building and confidence exercises.
Something like this above can be used.
Major points:
-Assessment so the course is at the correct learning level
- Explanation is given on the psychology of human L2 acquisition (Why, How,)
-Confidence building tools to promote USING English
-Breaking down cultural and shyness barriers while speaking English
-Public Speaking skills
-Reflective analysis for learning and teaching
-Benchmarks met or adjusted
-Advanced Language usage
-Leadership skill-sets promoted
-Creativity and imagination skills utilized by various activities
You end up with a well-rounded student that is not afraid to speak English, voice their opinions, debate or discuss ideas, use creativity in language, learns how to reflective analyze their weak points and correct them, is a team player, can communicate ideas well, can show leadership skills in l2 and provide management or job input in English.
I prepare my students for the real world of business and try my best to give them the confidence and knowledge to improve using English as a skill for work or career, incorporating independent thought.
I use various activities to build these skills
Totally different from the Chinese system of repetition learning or test taking.
Your students levels might be lower or higher so you can adjust your pedagogy, benchmarks, goals, and activities for each class.
The things you can do are endless once you get a good feel and experience in this area.
I highly suggest reading or taking courses designed for TESOL written at the graduate degree or higher level. Having a good knowledge of human language and second language acquisition , assessment and reflective teaching principles, L1/L2 language markers, linguistics, behavioral language development, language psychology, history of languages, cognitive language development, material-courses and design, leadership and management, public speaking.
Good modern books on the topics above will give you some tools to try and use, it also gives you some excitement and width to teaching just Oral English classes. Often the teacher will become bored or stale if they are tasked with only Oral courses. The more you know and the more you stay leading edge the more interesting it will become.
You can design your courses on a scientific approach that gives good results.
As a previous poster commented above, who uses this approach, it is not difficult to become a highly effective teacher in this area.-- Best teacher award ect. |
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InTime
Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 1676 Location: CHINA-at-large
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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On page 1, there was the description of solo student solo-ing in front of EVERYBODY...
The Poster described said student as
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It's seems there's the acceptance that many/most of our students are NOT Intrinsically Motivated to do SOLO performances.
Rather, FT trying to force students to 't-a-l-k"...this can/will RAISE rather than lower what Krashen called the AFFECTIVE FILTER
(there are many phrases, from various fields of reference)
As a teacher, and an anti-authoritarian, I long ago decided to explore alternatives to English-traumatizing the already-English-traumatizwed.
Consider, for example, SnoopBot's suggestions:
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Introduce yourself - simplified version
Students introduce themselves - then when complete you introduce yourself - detailed version- and allow free questions. |
Now...consider the SOLO process:
*unwilling/uptight/bored/boring students perfroming-in-English SOLO in an audience of their PEERS...
*the audience has no alternative but to endure such a generally boring/uncomfortable process
*the Chinese CONFORMITY/GroupThink Dynamics can easily go AGAINST excellence-in-English-expression. Rather, the LOWER...nervous laughs, apologies...generally...self-abasement... can easily prevail.
An ALTERNATIVE to SOLO?
Easy...regardless of seating situations/numbers...
*after FT gives simplified INTRO (perhaps after writing the KEY POINTS on the board), then
*students stand/sit in 2 (or 4 or 6)lines facing each other in pairs
*students introduce each other AT THE SAME TIME
*after a minute or 2 or more, teacher claps hands/rings a bell
(BEFORE the energy slows down)
*students circulate (either clock-wise or other-wise)
..................IMPORTANT!!!
FT Must MODEL/Practice the process several times...
especially the shifting from one line to another
Such Non-SOLO processes demonstrate that there's a flaw in the FT truis:
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When the students are in pairs, and the other bees are buzzing,
or...in small groups of 4--6--8
...then...it's like a (non-shy)Chinese Restaurant!
BELOW is from the great H.D Brown:
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TESOL expert Prof. H. Douglas Brown offers teachers "Ten Commandments"
for Good Language Learning.
These words can also be seen as useful for English-teachers-in-China, not excluding ourselves:
1. Lower inhibitions---via role plays/songs/small group work
2. Encourage risk-taking--praise students/give fluency-only exercises
3. Build self-confidence--encourage students, have them make lists of their strengths
4. Develop intrinsic motivation--focus on real-life rewards-for-learning, BEYOND the Exam
5. Promote cooperative learning--via small group work/class-as-a-team
6. Encourage them to use right-brain thinking--use movies&tapes, have them read passages rapidly, do oral fluency exercises without corrections
7. Promote ambiguity tolerance---encourage students to ask teacher/each other questions; keep theoretical answers brief and simple
8. Help them use their intuition ---praise students for good guesses; correct only selected errors, e.g. those interfering w/learning
9.Get students to make their mistakes work FOR them---tape record oral production and get them to identify errors
10.Get students to set their own goals--have them make lists of what they will accomplish in a particular week/lifetime |
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fitzgud
Joined: 24 Jan 2006 Posts: 148 Location: Henan province
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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Sadly most of the above is reliant on students being capable of independent thought, alas, my students wait to be told exactly what they think. Only then are they prepared to express what they never knew had ever passed through their minds.
You are all so lucky to have such a high level of self motivated young people to teach. I will just have to keep plugging away in my middle school with the absolute basics, and enjoying each and every glimmer of light in their tunnel vision.
But, they are a delight to laugh with, but never to laugh at. |
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Katja84
Joined: 06 May 2007 Posts: 165
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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On page 1, there was the description of solo student solo-ing in front of EVERYBODY...
The Poster described said student as
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| ...the poor student... |
It's seems there's the acceptance that many/most of our students are NOT Intrinsically Motivated to do SOLO performances.
Rather, FT trying to force students to 't-a-l-k"...this can/will RAISE rather than lower what Krashen called the AFFECTIVE FILTER
(there are many phrases, from various fields of reference)
As a teacher, and an anti-authoritarian, I long ago decided to explore alternatives to English-traumatizing the already-English-traumatizwed. |
Although I entirely agree that in large classes with shy students, the practise of students speaking in front of the class should probably be minimized. I'm not, however, sure it can be eliminated entirely, as naturally teacher-centred activities (such as intensive reading) would become even more teacher-centred if you were not able to ask students questions or for them to give examples while doing it? Same with giving answers to exercises etc. I think most Chinese students do want to speak in front of the class sometimes if they are adequately prepared for it, and they very well might have been in the example of my "poor student" above, the problem is if I still can't understand their accent...
As for your example, when I've tried to do similar exercises I've found them too very difficult to manage in large classes - first because the noise-level in a crowded classroom with everyone speaking is unbearable, second because students revert back to Chinese, and thirdly for the same issue of correction - why do Chinese students always bloody lower their voices when the teacher approaches? I am assuming they are simply nervous of letting me hear them speak English, but it makes correction impossible...
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| Sadly most of the above is reliant on students being capable of independent thought, alas, my students wait to be told exactly what they think. |
Fine, Chinese students may be a bit more path-dependent and rely more on their peers' opinions than students in some other countries, but they do have independent thoughts if you ask them the right questions. Ask them their opinion on Taiwan they'll obviously come with the opinion they've had knocked into their head since birth, since they've never heard any opposition to it, but usually once you get to know students they all have something that interests them enough that they have been thinking about it (which inevitably leads to independent thought). I've had some students express plenty of independent thought when it comes to a song they like, or basketball techniques, or even the one-child policy (this being in Ningxia where every other kid has a sibling).
I think the problem is to ask them to talk about something in English that they have never even thought about in Chinese - you need to either prepare a topic very well before asking students for "independent thinking" (eg read articles, which by itself requires a good level of English) or you need to choose topics that students are used to debating in Chinese. Then the question becomes a simple one of translation rather than having to deal with both figuring out one's opinion and the for-against arguments AND expressing them in a foreign language (which I, being not Chinese but European, also find extremely difficult and if you put me in that situation I'm sure I too would appear "incapable of independent thought"). |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I think most Chinese students do want to speak in front of the class sometimes if they are adequately prepared for it |
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I have found this very true in my years. And it is something that Chinese teachers have them do. I have heard intellectuals criticize having students give speeches because it is "rehearsed" speech (don't they know they all speech is rehearsed, even our yelp of pain when we stub our toe). I try to give each student (class size under 40) one chance at least to "shine" speak their mind beore the class. And most of them are eager to show me what they can do, because there is little chance for me to really listen to them in classwork.
But like the rest of us lazy humans, sometimes they need a healthy push. I am teaching grade 4, uh seniors. Some of the students, especially the boys, now have the three year ingrained habit of never seriously doing any homework or preperation. I find the freshman easier to teach, more willing to prepare and work hard.
The first two or three weeks I now have my students write their own dialogues each week. Underline new vocabulary, focus on only one topic. Then some of them will perform before the class. I start with "where are you from?" demonstrating the English Corner one minute conversation, and then a ten minute plus conversation using complete sentences (rule #1), more information via use of preps and conjunctions (rule #2) and at least 8 follow-up question (rule#3).
My freshman will neatly write a two page dialogue, highlighting new words. Seniors, a quick scrawl. But by the end of the semester as we progress to debates (that is now often my "final") the seniors will really get into it. But trying to fix their grammar is impossible.
Again, most of my students have welcomed the chance to challenge themselves to do better, once they understand that I actually do expect them to do this.
Best at working in Oral English : English major freshman
English major seniors... not as much you can do with them, partly, I believe, because they are taught by then that oral english class requires no work
non-english juniors and seniors ... much more willing to work then their english major counterparts
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Slick Fox
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Either talk for an hour and allow them to practice their listening skills or treat it like an English Corner.
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sheeba
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:05 am Post subject: |
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1. Lower inhibitions---via role plays/songs/small group work
2. Encourage risk-taking--praise students/give fluency-only exercises
3. Build self-confidence--encourage students, have them make lists of their strengths
4. Develop intrinsic motivation--focus on real-life rewards-for-learning, BEYOND the Exam
5. Promote cooperative learning--via small group work/class-as-a-team
6. Encourage them to use right-brain thinking--use movies&tapes, have them read passages rapidly, do oral fluency exercises without corrections
7. Promote ambiguity tolerance---encourage students to ask teacher/each other questions; keep theoretical answers brief and simple
8. Help them use their intuition ---praise students for good guesses; correct only selected errors, e.g. those interfering w/learning
9.Get students to make their mistakes work FOR them---tape record oral production and get them to identify errors
10.Get students to set their own goals--have them make lists of what they will accomplish in a particular week/lifetime |
In Time. Brown's list only need apply to those areas that have been proven to be a problem. You�ll find that you needn�t concentrate on all these areas.
I suggest you carry out the test on page 129 in 'principles of language learning and teaching'
I've done it once before and also have the results again this term from another test. I'll share those results (later this week) when I've analysed the results. If you need the questions I can PM them to you or even post them on this board.
I don't personally believe H.D. Brown's list covers enough especially in relation to senses - For example kinesthetic, auditory and visual preferences.
Individual styles in class is perhaps one of the biggest problems we face and is the reason that you can only do so much ion classroom situations.
As for the discussion on individual presentations. I find that presentations in class don't work. One of the main problems students face is that they can't understand what their classmates are saying. They have big problems understanding pronunciation. And so do I. I have to really listen to the student at the front. If I have problems then my students may as well give up(and many do). To demand silence whilst you listen to a student is also a problem. On top of this IME students don't enjoy this presentation generally. The Krashen psychobabble has been mentioned and this applies especially for Chinese students. At least Krashen managed to get one thing right(It's somewhat obvious anyway)
I have tried the rotating pairs in lines and as much as this is a better method I find the noise too much. The worst thing is I can't get feedback from the students (due to the noise) . Feedback is one of the most important parts of your class!
So I decided to start them in pairs. Then move them into groups of 4 to share opinions. What I tend to do is get students to share ideas on a subject in2's. They are made fully aware that they have to REMEMBERwhat their student has just told them in oreder to pass the information onto the group when they make a 4 . They then have to present their partner's opinions to the groups. Often they come up with a group opinion which I tend to share with the class.. I put all the group ideas on the board which can then set up group arguments.
My research and intuition tells me that Chinglish transfer from one student to another is a problem. I don't see it as a problem in that this intake will become a long term memory fossilisation but I do see it a problem in that messages are not clear between students and we are working in a vague world of language that encourages students to change subjects leading toward their 'macro' rehearsed middle school drone.
Getting away from group dynamics a little but this is what needs to be worked on. I'm gonna try more task based learning where students have to transfer precise information as part of a team next term
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Shan-Shan

Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 1074 Location: electric pastures
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| On top of this IME students don't enjoy this presentation generally. |
I've actually found the opposite to be the norm -- when presentations are performances, and not just a group of student-robots reciting memorized sections from Olympic Games pamphlets.
Each class this semester begins with a group of three/four students performing a short skit they've been preparing for two weeks. After the first week of preparations, the class is briefed by the performers on what to expect in the following week's skit. This early awareness activity -- a preview -- could also perhaps be considered as a kind of schema activation activity: with some background to the skit introduced, language difficulties during viewing time may be less frequent than watching the skit without any type of introduction/preview. Giving this preview also creates a sense of anticipation (mild as it likely is) among the audience, and adds to the motivation for doing a good job (by the performers) when it comes time to present their work. |
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sheeba
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:37 am Post subject: |
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Well I guess that preparation helps students in mind and in performance.
But I still feel that the big problems students face in terms of erroneous productions in oral class are far better approached via group work. Maybe Shan your students are a better level but I even find my major students I teach have BIG intelligibility problems and for them to stand there at the front is often a BIG pain for everyone. |
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Shan-Shan

Joined: 28 Aug 2003 Posts: 1074 Location: electric pastures
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: |
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I never allow for more than five minute performances, though I do have some colleagues whose entire classes are made up of student presentations (no need for FT to plan) and I can only imagine how frustrating the 90 minutes must pass except for the X number of minutes spent presenting "something".
Decent student performances, aside from entertaining fellow classmates in English and showing each other what is possible even after years of being bolted to a desk, can provide a good opportunity for discussing language itself. In more advanced classes, I've assigned a focus -- for example, pronunciation/vocabulary usage -- to groups of students in the audience. After the presentation/performance is complete, each group prepares a short language report, noting both what was done well and what needs improving, for the performers. This student generated error-correction session gets everyone listening -- in theory -- closely to the performance (from a specific angle) and then discussing language itself without exclusive teacher direction afterwards. |
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InTime
Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 1676 Location: CHINA-at-large
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: |
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Good thread!!!
Shan-shan
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| In more advanced classes, I've assigned a focus -- for example, pronunciation/vocabulary usage -- to groups of students in the audience. After the presentation/performance is complete, each group prepares a short language report, noting both what was done well and what needs improving, for the performers. |
Yes. Toastmasters International (International NGO for public speaking, w/clubs in China's major eastern cities) has this practice. Judges are assigned to Evaluate the speakers, using fixed critieria, and a diplomatic style. Also, there are folks who:
*count the Ah's...and watch the time limit, giving warnings to the speakers
Sheeba
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| If you need the questions I can PM them to you or even post them on this board. |
Yes, please post on this board. Thanks.
Regarding performances, I've found that the students/audience are quite a valid barometer for the effectiveness of the presentations/Role Plays. That ius, if it's boring, they'll often chat w/each other. In my experience, the students with "excellent English" are often:
*physically unattractive
*emotionally unexpressive
*non-chasrismatic
*somewhat smug/arrogant
With such students I have often played the role of the b' all-busting Director, emphasizing that in real-life situations, often effectiveness relates
attractiveness and other emotional factors, rather than t' ight-as' sed focus upon "perfection."
BELOW is a sample from the on-line book "The Learning Revolution" which sold 10 million in China. Perhaps we could discuss some of these issues/chapters?
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http://www.thelearningweb.net/page011.html
.4 A do-it-yourself guide(Read Chapter) 145
The first 20 steps to learn anything much faster, better and more easily
1. Start with the lessons from sports 145
2. Dare to dream - and imagine your future 149
3. Set a specific goal-and set deadlines 149
4. Get an enthusiastic mentor - fast 149
5. Start with the big picture first 151
6. Ask! 153
7. Seek out the main principle 155
8. Find three best books by practical achievers 155
9. Relearn how to read - faster, better, more easily 157
10. Reinforce with pictures and sound 161
11. Learn by doing 163
12. Draw Mind Maps instead of taking linear notes 165
13. Easy ways to retrieve what you've learned 167
14. Learn the art of relaxed alertness 169
15. Practice, practice, practice 173
16. Review and reflect 173
17. Use linking tools as memory pegs 173
18. Have fun, play games 175
19. Teach others 177
20. Take an accelerated learning course 177
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arioch36
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:00 am Post subject: |
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For 40 students, with 16 teaching weeks, easily gives time for each group (of 4-5) to prepare and perform once. I usually work more closely with the first group to go, which is usually a group that volunteers. The hard way, I found that if the first group doesn't prepare or take it seriously, the rest of the groups will also do poorly, and vice versa. I also have the group prepare a vocabulary and cultural notes to share with the class. My first year in China I stole the idea from a Chinese teacher who did plays in her extensive reading class.
Last year I had English major juniors for writing and movie class (a nice combination). We talked about satire (saw the Simpsons). I didn't consider these students to be very motivated, maybe partly because as sophmores there laowai teacher taught them nothing in writing class. Every group did some pretty good satire on their culture, and compared it to their perceptions of how Americans would act. Didn't increase their grammar much, so perhaps wouldn't help them on a national test (still the using an adverb as an adjective, etc), but a definiteprogress in their ability to communicate fluently.
I let the students judge/grade them, and have found their grades to be similar to what I would give, albeit slightly higher
I would never do more then two or three groups performances in one class. Our attention spans aren't sufficient. Even when I give finals, I always divide the class in half or quarters.
Most students welcome the group performance. I am now sold on groups debating in front of class as well, one group a week, before they all debate in groups
The better students look forward to the chance to give an individual speech.
The worse the student, the less the student prepares, the longer the speech  |
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sheeba
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:24 am Post subject: |
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1. Lower inhibitions---via role plays/songs/small group work
2. Encourage risk-taking--praise students/give fluency-only exercises
3. Build self-confidence--encourage students, have them make lists of their strengths
4. Develop intrinsic motivation--focus on real-life rewards-for-learning, BEYOND the Exam
5. Promote cooperative learning--via small group work/class-as-a-team
6. Encourage them to use right-brain thinking--use movies&tapes, have them read passages rapidly, do oral fluency exercises without corrections
7. Promote ambiguity tolerance---encourage students to ask teacher/each other questions; keep theoretical answers brief and simple
8. Help them use their intuition ---praise students for good guesses; correct only selected errors, e.g. those interfering w/learning
9.Get students to make their mistakes work FOR them---tape record oral production and get them to identify errors
10.Get students to set their own goals--have them make lists of what they will accomplish in a particular week/lifetime
BELOW ARE THE RELEVANT QUESTIONSTO ASK YOURS TUDENTS>
1, I don't mind if people laugh at me when I speak
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I get embarrassed.
2. I like to try new words and structures that I'm not sure of
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I like to use only language I am certain of.
3. I feel confident in my ability to succeed in learning this language
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I feel quite uncsertain
4. I want to learn this language because of what I can personally gain
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I am learning this language because someone else is requiring it.
5. I really enjoy working with other people in groups
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I would rather work alone
6. i like to 'absorb' language and get the general 'gist'
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I like to analyze the details and understand exactly what is said/written
7. If there is an abundance of language to master, I just try and take things one step at a time
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I am very annoyed by an abundance
8. I am not overly conscious of myself when I speak
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I 'monitor' myself
9. when I make mistakes, i try to use them to learn something
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when i make a mistake, it annoys me because that's a symbol of how poor my performance is.
10. I find ways to continue learning outside the class
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I look to the teacher
This test should be done by students ticking boxes a-e
a would suggest the student agrees strongly with the first comment
e would suggest they don't and agree more with the second comment for each number above.
Please do this test on your students and give feedback here so we can all compare. My guess is we'll have similar results but who knows. Perhaps we can then start deciding on strategic techniques suitable for our classes.
I still think Brown misses very important parts- kinasthetic, auditory and listening strategies. I usually add these as questions but any ideas would be welcome. |
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sheeba
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:19 am Post subject: |
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May I add that you should emphasise to students that this is NOTa test.
I tell them that if they don't want to write their name on the paper this is fine.
I have just looked at one class of non-majors.
question 1, 6,7 and 8 were of relevance.
Students ticked more C's, D's and E's in these questions.
Now question 1 is very much so linked with Krashen and his affective filter. It's my opinion that students have a problem here and this is why individual presentations are getting the boot in my class(at least this one and I suspect other classes will be similar)
Brown suggests guessing games, communication games, role plays and skits, singing songs, group work(plenty of) and laughing with your students. Sharing fears in SMALL groups is what he suggests and I agree totally.
Question 6 is linked to analyzing language and Brown suggests to encourage right brain processing. He suggests Movies and tapes in class, rapid reading, skimming exercises, rapid 'free writes', talking without being corrected
Question 7 - we need to promote ambiguity tolerance. Just a few rules at a time. Translation CAN and I feel SHOULD be used sometimes . Sorry all you guys that sware by only English in class. does not work IMO.
Question 8 - Help with intuition - Don't explain things. Encourage students to work out stuff for themselves. I throw them the dictionary. Tell them to find out the answer and tell me next lesson.
Let corrections suffice Sir Brown says. Only those that interfere withlearning.
So here is a start . I'll analyse the other results and if anyone is interested I'll tell you the results. I will be interested to see if the majors differ in opinions. |
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Katja84
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I agree with those of you that are sceptic of presentations (for them to work the teacher needs to prepare the class so well beforehand), though I do like the less formal variants of letting people speak in class. In one Extensive Reading class we had done a text on Martin Luther King, and afterwards I asked them to get together in groups to re-assemble different sections from his "I have a dream" speech. Finally one person in each group came to the front of the class so that about a fourth of the class were up there in total, and then I made sure they were standing in the right order and they got to deliver his speech collectively. I think this worked quite well in the sense that the person to come up had been picked by their friends and and there were so many people "on stage" doing the speech that even the students from the less confident groups at the back seemed to enjoy it. I guess it is a bit different though since a lot of students who don't like to do presentations do like to read out-loud, since they can focus on just one aspect of language (delivery) and not on the content and the language too...
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| Question 7 - we need to promote ambiguity tolerance. Just a few rules at a time. Translation CAN and I feel SHOULD be used sometimes . Sorry all you guys that sware by only English in class. does not work IMO. |
Translation can be an excellent technique for learning a language (I always use it myself in learning Chinese sentence structure and grammar) - the problem is how to use it in class if you don't know the language yourself? |
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