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bearcanada
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Joe C., I've suggested to the moderators that they give you a short holiday to improve your manners.
My meaning was clear, and my statements about Wall Street were accurate, from real experience. A person made a post with a request for useful information. Your flaming posts are juvenile and help no one.
EF and many other mills will hire many without degrees or qualifications or teaching experience. Wall Street will not. I don't believe it is my literacy that is in question here.
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Joe C.
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Joe C., I've suggested to the moderators that they give you a short holiday to improve your manners.
My meaning was clear, and my statements about Wall Street were accurate, from real experience. A person made a post with a request for useful information. Your flaming posts are juvenile and help no one.
EF and many other mills will hire many without degrees or qualifications or teaching experience. Wall Street will not. I don't believe it is my literacy that is in question here.
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You are beginning to sound a lot like HunanForeignGuy. Would we be surprised if you were his alter ego? Please whine and pout a little more so we can listen carefully to be sure.
I have also recommended to the moderators that they help you obtain a new Literacy Volunteer.
The fact is, as others have also posted, Wall Street is an upscale version of EF. Wall Street hires practically the same people for full-time positions that EF does and lowers their standards, when needed, for part-timers the same as EF.
Interesting how you pretend to know so much about Wall Street from a "brief examination" when you first came to China. You sure do smell like HFG.  |
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bearcanada
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Dear Joe C.
Actually, the 'brief examination' was an in-depth study of not only Wall Street but Oxford English, Language Key, Clark Morgan, IE21, Armstrong-Hilton, Canilx, EF and some others. It was done as a consulting assignment for a Shanghai-based management firm that was considering entering the English training market and wanted a professional appraisal of the existing competition.
I met and interviewed management, teachers and students from all of the above organisations and presented my analysis and evaluation. My knowledge of Wall Street may be more thorough than yours. They (and others in that list) are in no way 'like EF only a bit better'. Sorry to disagree.
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vikuk
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| The fact is, as others have also posted, Wall Street is an upscale version of EF. Wall Street hires practically the same people for full-time positions that EF does and lowers their standards, when needed, for part-timers the same as EF. |
Joe C seems to be quite correct - I personally know of a Frenchman with no degree who worked for Wall street in a part-time position teaching English on an F visa.
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| bearcanada wrote: |
Dear Joe C.
Actually, the 'brief examination' was an in-depth study of not only Wall Street but Oxford English, Language Key, Clark Morgan, IE21, Armstrong-Hilton, Canilx, EF and some others. It was done as a consulting assignment for a Shanghai-based management firm that was considering entering the English training market and wanted a professional appraisal of the existing competition.
I met and interviewed management, teachers and students from all of the above organisations and presented my analysis and evaluation. My knowledge of Wall Street may be more thorough than yours. They (and others in that list) are in no way 'like EF only a bit better'. Sorry to disagree.
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That's your opinion.
I personally know the national HR director and hiring managers at several Wall Street locations and can see that Wall Street is no better than EF or Language Key.
You have the right to disagree. And other forum members have the right to balanced opinions. Unless you really are HFG, you would have to admit that other forum members are intelligent enough to investigate and reach their own conclusions. |
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bearcanada
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Well, perhaps we could all wait for some of the 'intelligent forum members' to investigate and form their own opinions.
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Joe C.
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| The fact is, as others have also posted, Wall Street is an upscale version of EF. Wall Street hires practically the same people for full-time positions that EF does and lowers their standards, when needed, for part-timers the same as EF. |
Joe C seems to be quite correct - I personally know of a Frenchman with no degree who worked for Wall street in a part-time position teaching English on an F visa. |
Of course.
Full-time staff hired by EF is virtually identical to that hired by Wall Street sans shirt & tie. After all, as Bear certainly has seen in his extensive investigation, most of the key cities in China enforce minimum standards in approving work permits and residence permits for foreign teachers.
Again: Wall Street vs. EF (or Language Key) -- Same Monkey, Different Dress. |
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Joe C.
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Well, perhaps we could all wait for some of the 'intelligent forum members' to investigate and form their own opinions.
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The million $ question, though, is that when they do will you again run snivelling and whine to the moderators?  |
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HunanForeignGuy
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: BearCanada |
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Joe C., I've suggested to the moderators that they give you a short holiday to improve your manners.
My meaning was clear, and my statements about Wall Street were accurate, from real experience. A person made a post with a request for useful information. Your flaming posts are juvenile and help no one.
EF and many other mills will hire many without degrees or qualifications or teaching experience. Wall Street will not. I don't believe it is my literacy that is in question here.
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Thank you for your post. Perhaps the person ran out of his dose of Prozac. Yes, his posts are incredibly rude and demeaning and most of the time the grammar actually reaches a mid-third grade level. Just ignore him. He's not God and is just another Internet bully hiding behind his mistakenly self-assured anonymity.
You were asking and continue to ask very valid questions and the monster-in-question seems to hijack every thread in which he makes an appearance.
Pity him at best.
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Mei Sheng
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Keep it up, Joe.
I actually worked for Wall St., so I guess I'm a qualified teacher!
Money talks. I will say this, the students there rarely questioned the authenticity of what the "teacher" said. They never said - "You are wrong. My 5th grade teacher told me xx. She is right."
Perhaps it's a chip on their shoulder because they can't afford WSE?
I will type this - Wall St. offers a pleasant environment and provides books. The people love paper!!
Handouts are the key to being thought of as a "good" teacher. |
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