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[vikuk]

[Anda]

Alice4 for 16 hours and just starting out, six to seven thousand RMB plus accommodation would be pretty good provided the accommodation was close to your place of work and the standard was okay. Accommodation in Shanghai isn't cheap to provide.

[wailing_imam]

The trainer is from Poland. Her name is Orla.

Monthly salary in Shanghai is 10,000 (was in Dec last year anyway). This is before tax, and they don't give anything for accomodation.

16hrs a week teaching (plus numerous demo classes - when the pressure is really on - you are expected to get those parents to sign their kids up). Lots of weekend work, You have to be at the office for 40 hrs a week.

You have to do a course to get Doron certification. If you don't finish a one year contract, you have to pay them for this course (it ain't cheap). If you finish a year with the school, they give you the cert, and you can work with HD in other countries.

Lots of Filipinas working there.

In my opinion, a load of sales oriented bul""it.

How do I know this? My ex joined the training session and thought it was VERY badly run, with lots of wasted time and little substance, so after three days she didn't bother attending the rest of the course.

[SocratesSon2]

Sis to seven thousand good in Shanghai? I would have to disagree. Even if they provide housing thats not so good. The going rate is at least 150 an hour, and thats when they do provide housing. Job should be paying 9,600 a month, 7,000 is a joke for Shanghai. That doesn't factor in all the office hours. Some jobs don't have them, some don't have so many. You can bet for a chain like this there will be plenty. Assessment, not worth it in my opinion.

[Anda]

Well most seem to have to pay between three and a half to four and a half thousand RMB a month for reasonable accommodation in Shanghai then the job isn't worth it. Having to do numerous demo classes for nothing is a joke. I have no office hours etc where I work so I do my work and then I'm free to do what I want.

[alice4]

[Anda]

If they say office hours in this industry they mean the all up time that you have to be at your place of employment. I usually do 12 hours teaching a week outside of that I can do whatever I want plus be where ever I want to be. I can use the school text book or prepare and use my own material. I always prepare my own material from my apartment but that is what I choose to do.

[vikuk]

with that Helen Doron gig the 40 hours may include a lot of promo work - maybe outside your place of work - maybe on a stage in supermarkets, in malls, even on the street. Some of these places require the FT to do something amusing to attract the crowds - sing a song or dance. This is sometimes the way this type of firm advertises its services.

[wailing_imam]

Also, you will want to check whether they can get the right papers.I think a lot of the Filipinas are on F visas.

They probably ask you about accomodation so they can think of a way to divide the figure (10,000) into accom and salary.

10,000 in Shanghai is miserable if you have to pay for your own accom. Remember you also pay tax.

You could get a job at a Chinese school, which provides accom flights visa etc and pays 8000 a month.

[alice4]

hmm... i see. but i wrote her an email stating my salary at 11k rmb net and the accommodation around 6k rmb. not so sure whether she is okay with it or not coz she haven't reply me yet. and they issue f visa? i thought they would issue working permit... do u know anyone there that i can talk to in helen doron to get a better scope?

[Anda]

Alice you are good for a laugh. You are wanting 17,000 RMB a month to start out with no experiance and probally holidays and airfares. You can get that type of money however in South Korea but living costs there are different from here. Look on the job board and get a better idea of wages here. Keep in mind it is different for big cities to smaller country cities

[bearcanada]

Anda, I don't want to derail a good thread but your English - spelling, grammar, sentence construction - are all truly abominable. When I read your posts I imagine an unintelligent Grade 10 dropout. How on earth can you be teaching English as a second language?

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[vikuk]

Shanghai is a huge and expensive city - Helen Doron preys on the rich parent - working for this setup for anything less than 15,000/month when you're putting in 40 hours seems like a joke - and that's regardless of being a newbie or not!!!!!

Today I passed a stand for one of these baby training outfits in our local mall - 3 men and a woman - all in black business suites with ties. Looks like great fun

[Anda]

Ah, bearcanada quite simple, actually, everywhere that I have worked, the students marks in exams have gone up quite dramatically plus I'm popular with my students. Add to this that I just come in and organize myself and prepare all my own teaching material which the students find a lot more interesting than the text books that are usually supplied by the College etc. I have recently been told by the head English teacher where I work that the writing skills of my students has improved greatly. So that is how I keep my job.

[Brian Caulfield]

Teaching kiddies means long hours anywhere . Also in China the parents and grandparents expect to be in the classroom. I Taiwan and in good schools this is forbiddent . For example last summer I was teaching kids and fight broke out between the parents over some kid cheating in an activity I was doing.