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YakTamer



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
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Location: Warszawa, Polska

PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, that was a blinding post from Harry, but perhaps he could tell us just what is wrong with poor benighted Macedonia? Smile
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Kootvela



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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Location: Lithuania

PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we are a bit away from the original posting, but the topic is worth attention.

As I have done some investigation being 'between jobs', I would strongly recommend:
1. Check what kind of a contract they offer. Do they hire you on a regular work contract (including sick pay, holiday pay, pension money) or it's some freelance type of a thing (no holiday pay, no sick pay, no pension money, you pay your own taxes and health insurance). Advertisements can say much to atract people but if you cannot tell the difference between the two types of contracts, then poor soul you.
2. Taxes. For example, if I worked on a work contract abroad, some countries have treaties with my country that workers pay taxes where they work. Some countries don't and after paying taxes abroad I would be double taxed at home. I had no idea this scheme existed but any tax consultation advice is a good start.
3. IH providing accommodation is one reason the pay is low: 'but you get the place to live we pay for you!'. It's easy to attract foreign teachers who'd like to stay for free (hey, who wouldn't?) but sometimes the conditions of housing are not good (so I've heard).
4. Workshops. Now, quality to quantity! In IH Vilnius we had them every Friday. Original idea was 1,5h for teacher development. Actual reality: 1,2h for admin stuff (who made too many copies, whose reports were not submitted on time, who did what and then who didn't what) and 25 min for a seminar. Sometimes, I must admit, there were nice exceptions and we did have wonderful seminars. I agree with the person who said after workshops being more confident.

My long two Lithuanian cents Smile
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Harry from NWE



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kootvela wrote:
3. IH providing accommodation is one reason the pay is low: 'but you get the place to live we pay for you!'. It's easy to attract foreign teachers who'd like to stay for free (hey, who wouldn't?) but sometimes the conditions of housing are not good (so I've heard).


Here in Poland IH do not provide housing. They will assist a teacher in finding accommodation but they do not pay for it. Check the link to the job in Bielsko Biala which I posted: not only do they not pay for housing but you have to give them three months' notice if you want to move out of the housing they arrange for you!
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marni



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: Accomodation depends on which IH Network Reply with quote

So far i agree with all the posts on IH, but working at IH in Poland let me confirm a few points. Accommodation depends on which IH you are with in Poland there are 3, IH North provides a place to live, but you also have the opportunity to live in your own and have an extra payment. Teacher Training happens each and every friday, unless the DOS is sick or has a hangover, which you dont know about till you have made the trek to school. The pay is totally crap, we had a teacher that took up extra lessons and worked on saturday afternoons, after working 7 they got paid for 2.IH do have a habit of manipulating your contract to their benefit and when they realise they have made a mistake and saved money(for themselves), the teachers lose out. IH do have a 3D policy in Poland....Deny...Deny...Deny. They will standby the bare neccessities of the contract but if they can take money from you, they will, currently im waiting for them to take the shirt off my back, as for the food that went a long time ago.
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Kootvela



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And then they boast on their websites how qualified the staff is and how high the teaching standards are. Somebody should sue one IH for misleading advertising, maybe something would come up.
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Harry from NWE



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marni wrote:
IH North provides a place to live, but you also have the opportunity to live in your own and have an extra payment. ... The pay is totally crap


I knew a former teacher from IH North Poland who didn't get his final month's salary because his phone bill was bigger than the salary!

Kootvela wrote:
And then they boast on their websites how qualified the staff is and how high the teaching standards are. Somebody should sue one IH for misleading advertising, maybe something would come up.

As long as International House World Organisation keeps getting the affiliate fees and no IH teachers actually starve to death (or at least the media doesn't pick up on their deaths), it's business as usual for IH.
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phantombedwetter



Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Location: Pikey infested, euro, cess-pit (Krakow)

PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry from NWE wrote:
marni wrote:
IH North provides a place to live, but you also have the opportunity to live in your own and have an extra payment. ... The pay is totally crap


I knew a former teacher from IH North Poland who didn't get his final month's salary because his phone bill was bigger than the salary!

This sounds pretty fair to me, tell him to grow up instead of ringing his mum every night.

Kootvela wrote:
And then they boast on their websites how qualified the staff is and how high the teaching standards are. Somebody should sue one IH for misleading advertising, maybe something would come up.

As long as International House World Organisation keeps getting the affiliate fees and no IH teachers actually starve to death (or at least the media doesn't pick up on their deaths), it's business as usual for IH.


IH, in my opinion, is a great place for a new teacher to start. I got my first teaching job at IH and stood me in good stead for the future.
I did two years post CELTA and ended up a DELTA level (Though not yet DELTA qualified) teacher.

As we get more experience and wiser, we know the place is one giant underpant, but a great place to start and for the CV.
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Kootvela



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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Location: Lithuania

PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

phantombedwetter wrote:

As we get more experience and wiser, we know the place is one giant underpant, but a great place to start and for the CV.


Agreed. Just why some of my potential students refused to have private lessons after I told them I used to work for an IH ? Laughing But it was good for teaching practice, that's true, and for making contacts.
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cezarek



Joined: 29 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harry from NWE wrote:
As long as International House World Organisation keeps getting the affiliate fees and no IH teachers actually starve to death (or at least the media doesn't pick up on their deaths), it's business as usual for IH.


Except they aren't all getting their affiliate fees. Around half the IH franchises in Poland haven't paid, in some cases for a few years. This seems to be happening all over the world, in fact they're increasing franchise fees for those schools who do actually pay.

And if they don't pay the bills, they don't get the inspections, 'support' etc. IH makes it's real money by TEFL training and running intensive courses in the UK, which allow their 'students' to work legally and be in the country. Since EU enlargement, this income has dropped somewhat since fewer people need to be 'students' in order to work in the UK. I notice IH have had to put their headquarters on the market....
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phantombedwetter



Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Location: Pikey infested, euro, cess-pit (Krakow)

PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cezarek,
You seem to be privvy to quite interesting information. EF is in exactly the same boat with their European operation, but I think they are in a better position to ride it.

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Since EU enlargement, this income has dropped somewhat since fewer people need to be 'students' in order to work in the UK.

Your right, but there's more to it than that.


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I notice IH have had to put their headquarters on the market....

Is this the end for the dinosaurs?
Will TEFL evolution force them into extinction?

Only time will tell...
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Old Lion



Joined: 24 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked for IH Warsaw for a term..I had a nice time..good teachers..great staff...but the pay was low..it was a struggle just to get by I hardly banked anything.
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