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flutterbayou



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HJH,

Neither Rustaq nor Sur are urban areas. Both are in the hinterlands.

You know, the questions you raise are openly addressed by your agent, Majali. I'm certain that he's told you that the allowances can be used as you please.

I think everyone here has given you good advice about going for an MA and since you haven't many years' experience, you might consider accepting an assignment where you have the advantage of working with an experienced faculty, from whom you'll gain lots of hands-on training on a day-to-day basis.

But these two assignments are pleasantly isolated.
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veiledsentiments



Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

huntjuliehunt wrote:
Rustaq or Sur. I prefer big cities.

And a special thank you to veiledsentiments, who I was afraid might pull a switchblade on me for some reason, but didn't. Ha!

I don't need a switchblade cause my kittie has claws. Laughing

But... with your preference for big cities, you may not be happy in Rustaq or Sur. They are both small and very quiet villages, one on the sea and the other in the interior. In Oman, Muscat barely qualities as a city. It is very much a preference thing. The villages are great for people who like to do outdoors things like camping/hiking/wadi bashing... or sailing/swimming/fishing.

I would not have worked in either of them myself... putting them on my list of 'nice to place to visit, but...' Expat life can be claustrophobic enough in larger places like Muscat, but in the villages, you can't take a breath without everyone knowing. Cool A factor to keep in mind...

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lotsa



Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
In Oman, Muscat barely qualities as a city.


Muscat not a city??? Must let the local councils know that!

Muscat is a fine place to live, lots of facilities about, plenty to do, and you don't have to get entrenched in the expat troughs to enjoy the place at all!!!!

BTW, the Muscat Festival starts on 21st Jan with lots of attractions and interesting activities organised - i'm looking forward to it ALL!
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never said that it isn't a fine place to live. I said that it barely qualifies as a city. It is a string of beads running down the ocean connected by a 6-8 lane highway. There is no 'center' or actual downtown... no transit system to speak of to connect them. It is tiny old original Muscat and Mattrah and Ruwi and Qurum and Madinet Qaboos and Al-Khuwair and etc on out almost to Seeb now...

I love the place, but it more like a line of villages than a city. Note that you said "councils" not council. When most Omanis refer to Muscat, they are referring to the Governate, not even the "metropolitan" area.

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lotsa



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK fair enough you were here for yonks, but you aren't now right? I disagree with your city non-city remark. Given you are the authority on Oman I guess from now on Muscat shouldn't be called a city. I'll pass that on. http://www.eng.umu.se/city/Fredrik/city/definition_of_the_word_city.htm refers.
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flutterbayou



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:04 am    Post subject: pay and cities Reply with quote

To the OP, HJH, might I add that Muscat has the major hotels and fine restaurants one would find in major cities and it has a significant nightlife for people who like that sort of thing.

I've found good shops and bookstores there and for people who want churches, well, they are there, too.

Public transport is amiss here but it isn't so great in Cleveland, Ohio, either - take my word for it. Cool But I can tell you that renting a car was a breeze (just be sure to have an active license when you arrive).

From what experienced contributors write, let's gather that Muscat and Oman, in general, have developed considerably in recent years. As someone who visited here two years ago and then returned here this month, I can attest to noticeable change and growth.

What I have noticed, though, is that the smaller towns are more appealing to mature adults who are content to amuse themselves. Having satellite tv with western news coverage is good enough for me, as well as taking scenic drives and meeting people. Afterall, aren't we here to teach and experience the local culture?

I would say that Oman is suitable for teachers who don't miss western culture, but it is not without western comforts and amenities.
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denise



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And if you live within striking distance of Muscat--which I consider a charming, lovely, and thoroughly enjoyable city--small-town life is really quite tolerable. As flutterbayou mentioned, you may need to entertain yourself in the small towns, but really, with the salaries here we can easily afford satellite TV, internet, etc., to make our homes more entertaining. And then just head to Muscat for the weekend or even for the evening. (But that starting salary cited by the OP did seem low. I believe that people with BAs get 925 + housing where I work.)

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007



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lotsa wrote:
OK fair enough you were here for yonks, but you aren't now right? I disagree with your city non-city remark. Given you are the authority on Oman I guess from now on Muscat shouldn't be called a city. I'll pass that on. http://www.eng.umu.se/city/Fredrik/city/definition_of_the_word_city.htm refers.

Indeed Muscat is a city, but not like any city in UK or Canada!

The notion of a �city� is debatable, and there are no universal criteria which automatically grant city status in any country.
Each country has its own criteria and �culture� to decide if a village or a town is a city. Take for example the United Kingdom case, a city status is awarded to a town which has a diocesan cathedral. And from history, a city status has been conferred by a royal charter, which means it is her majesty the Queen Elizabeth II who grants a city status to a specific town!

Now, back to Muscat, and by analogy, I think it is his Majesty the Sultan Qaboos Bin Said who grants the city status of a town according to certain criteria and �political� considerations!

SO, let�s all agree that Muscat is indeed a lovely city of charm, sand, Islamic architecture and culture, and vision! Laughing

This is for you, the 'grammatical' or 'lexicographers' people:

"From a linguistic perspective, there is also a question of whose place it is to determine the definition of words in the English language. Normally lexicographers, who study the lexicon of a language and author dictionaries, define words as for publication in their dictionaries, as closely as possible to the word's common usage. Why then should the so-called "official" definition of a word such as 'city' and which towns qualify for city status be based on the whims of a single person (or indeed a group of ministers) who are uneducated in the field of lexicography?"
Source: http://www.ukcities.co.uk/status/

Any comments?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Indeed Muscat is a city, but not like any city in UK or Canada!

The notion of a �city� is debatable, and there are no universal criteria which automatically grant city status in any country.

Nor is it like any other 'city' in the Gulf. Compare it to Dubai or Abu Dhabi or Kuwait City or Manama. You would think that saying a place was not a 'city' was some sort of insult. Laughing It is like a strange 'metropolitan area' with no center. If you say, "I'm going downtown," no one would know what you meant... do you mean browsing the old souq in Mattrah, or the business center of Ruwi, or the shopping centers in Qurm?

Of course, there is a reason why it has developed the way it has and that is the geography. The mountain range that marches into the sea there, has meant that it couldn't develop any way but how it did... like I said, beads on a 6-8 lane string...

If there is no universal criteria, then apparently I have the right to my opinion (and that is all it is) that Muscat barely qualifies as a city. If someone says to me, I love cities and would only live/work in a city... and their past experience was NYC or Shanghai or Hong Kong or Cairo, I would suggest to them that Muscat may not be their cup of tea.

And the way it is, is exactly why I would choose Muscat over any of the cities I mentioned. Cool

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Duffy



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of our Dofhari students come from the "cities" of Shisr, Madinet Al Haq, Taqa, Mirbat, Hadbeen and Suddah amongst others. To them they believe that these(low populated by western standard,) areas are cities, who are we to argue with that mentality, ergo - it is all in the mind.

Duffy Laughing Laughing Laughing
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huntjuliehunt



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys are debating the cityosity of Muscat... I'm gonna get stuck in Sur or something.

The thing with me is, I can handle a small city with the RIGHT friend. But I'm not good at just being alone, alone, alone, so it's a big risk to venture off to the cornfields of Iowa. Or the _______ of Sur.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would suggest that anyone who has problems being alone to avoid ALL the villages of Oman. The people who are able to cope happily with these places are those who are able to occupy themselves.

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(cityosity... good word Laughing)
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lotsa



Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the OP, Sur isn't such a bad place and there is oodles to do not just there but further afield from Sur. Depends also on what support you have from the establishment you will work with and to a certain extent the pool of other expats in the area. For me, I don't mix with expats - I'm in Oman so I mix with Omani's and i've seen a great deal of the fantastic places to see here, by courtesy of those Omani's.

Sounds like you are more used to larger areas, in which case Muscat could be the place for you if that comes up in the offer. There is certainly plenty to do in Muscat. There is a rather large establishment about 20mins drive from Lulu's Hypermarket and its called MCC (Muscat CITY centre). Its quite good for shopping. Plans are abound for another CITY centre establishment in the Qurum area where another Carrefour will be built.

Keep researching the net if you can, there are plenty of sites to see what facilities are available for the place you end up.
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temujinsky



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old mate ... I am puzzled as to why you insert an apostrophe into the word Omanis. Surely no apostrophe is needed? Did you think that the singular Omani owned something? That the one Omani [if you meant a singular Omani] possessed something and you forgot to insert the possessed? As a teacher of English one would expect a similar line of erudition from other teachers of English. Maybe you are American?
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bje



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

temujinsky wrote:
Old mate ... I am puzzled as to why you insert an apostrophe into the word Omanis. Surely no apostrophe is needed? Did you think that the singular Omani owned something? That the one Omani [if you meant a singular Omani] possessed something and you forgot to insert the possessed? As a teacher of English one would expect a similar line of erudition from other teachers of English. Maybe you are American?

Yep, I guess so...if you want to call correct apostrophe use 'erudition'. But nor will the world shudder to a halt as a result of a superfluous apostrophe. Nevertheless, as you imply, he or she could always call upon a Brit for an extended lesson in correct usage; perhaps a pedantic savant who takes pride in such things.
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