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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 11:26 am Post subject: |
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unless your wife is a citizen or resident, nyou can't get a SSN, you can't get a SSN
You have get an ,ITIN, I'm still waiting itafter a year. |
Just for reference.
http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html
Can't recall how long it took for my Japanese wife and son to get theirs, but it certainly wasn't a year.
arioch,
Thanks for clarifying your situation. However, regardless of how little you make overseas, you are still obligated to file. Sounds silly, of course, especially since we Americans are exempt from taxes on up to $87,500 (this year), and I don't know any teacher working abroad who makes close to that much.
The thing is, though, if you don't file for whatever you make abroad, the amount itself becomes completely unknown to the IRS. Some may think this is good, but if you are working abroad and living on that income and then choose to sponsor your spouse's green card, there will be no record of you even having an income. This may have repercussions on the green card application because it looks to the government like you cannot support your spouse. |
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ecocks
Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 899 Location: Gdansk, Poland
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: Not sure why people keep saying |
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that you are required or obligated to file no matter what your circumstances. This has never been a rule and there is no punishment for not filing in instances where you have not been required by an action (IRA withdrawal,etc) or no additional payment required due to income as determined by the IRS.
In fact, the IRS prefers you NOT FILE unnecessarily. From the IRS website:
Do You Need to File a Federal Income Tax Return?
Many people will file a 2007 Federal income tax return even though the income on the return was below the filing requirement. The questions below will help you determine if you need to file a Federal Income Tax return or if you need to stop your withholding so you will not have to file an unnecessary return in the future.
The Internal Revenue Service is providing this information as a part of our customer service and outreach efforts to Reduce Taxpayer Burden and Processing Costs. Changing your withholding and/or not filing Unnecessary Returns will save both you and the government time and money.
Even if you do not have to file a return, you should file one to get a refund of any Federal Income Tax withheld.
To determine if you need to file a Federal Income Tax return for 2007 answer the following questions:
Occasionally, individuals have one-time or infrequent financial transactions that may require them to file a Federal Income Tax return. Do any of the following examples apply to you?
Did you have Federal taxes withheld from your pension and wages for this tax year and wish to get a refund back?
Are you entitled to the Earned Income Tax Credit or did you receive Advance Earned Income Credit for this tax year?
Were you self-employed with earnings of more than $400.00?
Did you sell your home?
Will you owe any special tax on a qualified retirement plan (including an individual retirement account (IRA) or medical savings account (MSA)?
You may owe tax if you:
Received an early distribution from a qualified plan
Made excess contributions to your IRA or MSA
Were born before July 1, 1936, and you did not take the minimum required distribution from your qualified retirement plan.
Received a distribution in the excess of $160,000 from a qualified retirement plan.
Will you owe social security and Medicare tax on tips you did not report to your employer?
Will you owe uncollected social security and Medicare or Railroad retirement (RRTA) tax on tips you reported to your employer?
Will you be subject to Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)? (The tax law gives special treatment to some kinds of income and allows special deductions and credit for some kinds of expenses.)
Will you owe recapture tax?
Are you a church employee with income in wages of $108.28 or more from a church or qualified church-controlled organization that is exempt from employer social security or Medicare taxes?
Per the original OP, there is no reason to be overly worried about this.
Glenski raises an important point regarding those of us who are marrying abroad and sponsoring our new famillies for visas. We must have documented income and/or financial resources in order to show proof that they will not become a burden on the government. Even when doing visa affadavits if you have the required amount of money in the bank, income is not required. If you have to show proof of income in order to document for credit reasons, visa support or whatever you should file a return since it will be a way to represent the income to a reviewing authority like the bank or government.
But, if you do not have recognized income above the required level, don't care about a receiving a refund, are not filing an amended return from a previous year or have some other reason to document there is no requirement to file. |
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Lei Feng
Joined: 28 Feb 2006 Posts: 59
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:58 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to all who replied. I went to Hong Kong and spoke with a guy at an HR Block type company. For around 1000HKD, he said he could file for the last 7 years and I may even get enough to cover the 1000HKD. Which is a laugh.
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rusmeister
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 867 Location: Russia
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: Re: Not sure why people keep saying |
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| ecocks wrote: |
that you are required or obligated to file no matter what your circumstances. This has never been a rule and there is no punishment for not filing in instances where you have not been required by an action (IRA withdrawal,etc) or no additional payment required due to income as determined by the IRS.
In fact, the IRS prefers you NOT FILE unnecessarily. From the IRS website:
Do You Need to File a Federal Income Tax Return?
Many people will file a 2007 Federal income tax return even though the income on the return was below the filing requirement. The questions below will help you determine if you need to file a Federal Income Tax return or if you need to stop your withholding so you will not have to file an unnecessary return in the future.
The Internal Revenue Service is providing this information as a part of our customer service and outreach efforts to Reduce Taxpayer Burden and Processing Costs. Changing your withholding and/or not filing Unnecessary Returns will save both you and the government time and money.
Even if you do not have to file a return, you should file one to get a refund of any Federal Income Tax withheld.
To determine if you need to file a Federal Income Tax return for 2007 answer the following questions:
Occasionally, individuals have one-time or infrequent financial transactions that may require them to file a Federal Income Tax return. Do any of the following examples apply to you?
Did you have Federal taxes withheld from your pension and wages for this tax year and wish to get a refund back?
Are you entitled to the Earned Income Tax Credit or did you receive Advance Earned Income Credit for this tax year?
Were you self-employed with earnings of more than $400.00?
Did you sell your home?
Will you owe any special tax on a qualified retirement plan (including an individual retirement account (IRA) or medical savings account (MSA)?
You may owe tax if you:
Received an early distribution from a qualified plan
Made excess contributions to your IRA or MSA
Were born before July 1, 1936, and you did not take the minimum required distribution from your qualified retirement plan.
Received a distribution in the excess of $160,000 from a qualified retirement plan.
Will you owe social security and Medicare tax on tips you did not report to your employer?
Will you owe uncollected social security and Medicare or Railroad retirement (RRTA) tax on tips you reported to your employer?
Will you be subject to Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)? (The tax law gives special treatment to some kinds of income and allows special deductions and credit for some kinds of expenses.)
Will you owe recapture tax?
Are you a church employee with income in wages of $108.28 or more from a church or qualified church-controlled organization that is exempt from employer social security or Medicare taxes?
Per the original OP, there is no reason to be overly worried about this.
Glenski raises an important point regarding those of us who are marrying abroad and sponsoring our new famillies for visas. We must have documented income and/or financial resources in order to show proof that they will not become a burden on the government. Even when doing visa affadavits if you have the required amount of money in the bank, income is not required. If you have to show proof of income in order to document for credit reasons, visa support or whatever you should file a return since it will be a way to represent the income to a reviewing authority like the bank or government.
But, if you do not have recognized income above the required level, don't care about a receiving a refund, are not filing an amended return from a previous year or have some other reason to document there is no requirement to file. |
Hey, ecocks! Have you got the link for that? |
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ecocks
Joined: 06 Nov 2007 Posts: 899 Location: Gdansk, Poland
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rusmeister
Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 867 Location: Russia
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Here you go |
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| ecocks wrote: |
| http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96623,00.html |
Thanks, mon!  |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
| naturegirl321 wrote: |
unless your wife is a citizen or resident, nyou can't get a SSN, you can't get a SSN
You have get an ,ITIN, I'm still waiting itafter a year. |
Just for reference.
http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96287,00.html
Can't recall how long it took for my Japanese wife and son to get theirs, but it certainly wasn't a year.. |
Believe me I know. I've called a couple of times, after 45 minutes they said that they couldn-t help me and suggested I contact the ITIN office, so I asked for a number and they said that they didn-t have a phone number, that I should write them by snail mail. I did back in May, still haven-t gotten anything. Though, it could have gotten stolen. |
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