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nomel



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are absolutely right Dhstoofaraway.
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mishmumkin



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dhstoofaraway wrote:
Not 15,000Dhs a month. 15,500Dhs a month for new starters. But, who really cares...right! This is happening at ADMC & FWC that I know of. If it is happening there.....


So is the general thought that the higher salary was offered for last year's new recruits but not this year's?
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dhstoofaraway wrote:
Oh, some of them are graduates.

What does that mean? Who has been hired who isn't a "graduate" of somewhere?

How much of this is rumor? Has anyone seen the contracts of these new hires? HCT is just such a rumor mill!! Not to mention that I've had people tell me that they got hired at XXXX Dhs and it wasn't true. Laughing

I wonder if the range of about US$3-4000 that they were quoting at NYC wasn't based on the fact that their advertisements lately have said that they are taking BA+CELTA+good experience.

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like2answer



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

delete

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colt



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:21 am    Post subject: Perspectives Reply with quote

Let's put this gnawed bone they threw in perspective.

I have a 19 year old local in 3rd year of Diploma (lower), work placement. She's in the military (one stripe corporal) and was given 3 years leave to do a Diploma.

She gets Dhs50,000. a month, and when she gets her diploma, she'll get a 12,000 a month increase.

Local prices are/will be based on this kind of income.

Yes, 15% is a little shot in the arm, but it's a disgrace that tertiary educators are paid a third to a quarter of what their students earn.

BTW. why is Tubby the camel called tubby? He's not "tubby" at all.
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ckhl



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mean to sound sour here...i'm a twelve-year veteran of the HCT...but you'll be getting nothing more with the 15%. It's only an attempt to keep up with inflation, which, contrary to the official figure of about 12%, is probably running closer to 15%. You'll be staying right where you are, or slipping below if the cost of living continues to rise. To think otherwise is to suffer from what is known in economics as "money illusion".
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saluki



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with NCTBA, something is better than the goose egg! Of course we'd all like to be earning more, but it's a start.

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It is well known that many teachers that joined last August started off on 15,500Dhs a month.


I would say it is well rumoured that some teachers started at 15,500. I have yet to meet an English teacher who started on this amount last September (I'm not saying they don't exist, but 'many'?). The English teachers I know who started this year are on less than that and as L2A says teachers of other subjects have often received more money than English teachers.

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Let's put this gnawed bone they threw in perspective.


colt, you're not putting it into perspective at all. It's like comparing apples and oranges. If you compare the salaries of English language teachers in other tertiary institutions, HCT doesn't come out that badly, and is higher than many others in the country. It would be like comparing your salary to that of the guy who packs the groceries at the supermarket. He has to pay the same for food as you, do you think he should get the same salary as you, or do you give him 6% more for packing your shopping this year than last year because you got a 6% payrise last Aug?

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it's a disgrace that tertiary educators are paid a third to a quarter of what their students earn.

I disagree here too. In many countries and in many professions, people deal with others who earn a lot more or a lot less than them. If you are teaching English to a group of brain surgeons in Japan, should you get the same salary as they do? I don't think so.

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It's only an attempt to keep up with inflation


But even if this is all it is - it's still more money than you have now. Nobody said it was supposed to make you rich, it was just called an increase.

All I know is, before yesterday it would have taken me 4 years to get to where I'll be by September 1st and that's a good thing in my book.
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redcliff



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd add my voice to those who have never met a non-english teacher who is making more than their english counterpart, but even if they are it shouldn't be seen as an unreasonable practice.

I'm not talking about your typical diploma business teacher, but for engineering, health sciences, aviation, maybe even math where there are bound to be less teachers available, I can't see how you couldn't offer them more money (apologies for the double negative).

And while you're at it throw in a bonus for those willing to work at the campuses you have more trouble recruiting for.
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MrScaramanga



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is true that some new hires sent to far away start-up colleges were given more money than the ones going to more urban places -- in the neighborhood of AED14500-15000 to start. On top of that you can now figure the 15% raise -- circa AED2200/month.

However, what was quoted in their offer letter was a much lower figure (minus AED2000-3000). They did get the salary raise given in August 2007, so perhaps indeed new hires this year will too Laughing

It has apparently been very difficult to hire teachers willing to go to Medina Zayed or Ruwais, so money incentives sound like the thing to do... don't they?
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kaisen



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's put this gnawed bone they threw in perspective.

I have a 19 year old local in 3rd year of Diploma (lower), work placement. She's in the military (one stripe corporal) and was given 3 years leave to do a Diploma.

She gets Dhs50,000. a month, and when she gets her diploma, she'll get a 12,000 a month increase.

Local prices are/will be based on this kind of income.

Yes, 15% is a little shot in the arm, but it's a disgrace that tertiary educators are paid a third to a quarter of what their students earn.


The "rulers" need the ongoing support of the military and police, to retain the status quo.

Foreign educators can be easily replaced
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Perspectives Reply with quote

Besides, not to get too nit-picky or off-subject but...

colt wrote:
She's in the military (one stripe corporal) and was given 3 years leave to do a Diploma.

She gets Dhs50,000. a month, and when she gets her diploma, she'll get a 12,000 a month increase.



One stripers are "privates"...corporals ("Areef" in Arabic) have two chevrons.

Further to that, who are we to criticize how much the government pays their own nationals? This place is heaps better than Saudi where the Al-Sauds think it is THEY who own the black gold that Allah was so generous to place under their land.

I say "God Bless" the Emirati government for sharing the wealth with their own people. It gives the "common" nationals a stake in the country and their future that keeps the likes of Al Qaida either out or very, very low key.

While those in the West were experience the Rennaissance, those here on the Arabian Peninsula were scurrying from shady spot to shady spot just to keep existing.

I say "Hurrah" for these people (despite their dangerous driving methods...don't forget, they were cruising around on the four-legged kind when Europeans were cruising down the Autobahn and the Yanks were putting together their "interstate" system). I say, let them enjoy their own Rennaissance.

I'm grateful as hell for getting what amounts to a 19 % pay rise in August. Personally, I thought 20-40% would make retention of staff better, but 15 (plus the automatic 4% increment) is good enough for me.

Sorry to vent. I don't have any feelings of entitlement.

"gnawed bone they threw in perspective", me arse! Embarassed

NCTBA


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colt



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: NCBA Reply with quote

LOL

I left because I have enough self esteem and confidence to find something better than spending my life sucking on the petroleum teat.

I now have my own business and make more money in a week than I could make in a month teaching in the Gulf. Now I'm the local.

"Oh please sir, could I have another cup of gruel."

No more of that for me thanks.


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saluki



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NCTBA,

Well said, I agree completely.

Love the new avatar by the way Cool
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tmac-100



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: NCBA Reply with quote

colt wrote:
I left because I have enough self esteem and confidence to find something better than spending my life sucking on the petroleum teat.

I now have my own business and make more money in a week than I could make in a month teaching in the Gulf. Now I'm the local.

"Oh please sir, could I have another cup of gruel."

No more of that for me thanks.


So tell me, why are you still nattering about the terrible life sucking on the petroleum teat? Teaching and education is not a self-sustaining industry - unless large tuitions are charged.

That asked, why are you not building your business? Petentially recruiting among some of the malcontents on this thread?

By the way, what "business" are you involved in?

Curious minds are wondering Wink I am wondering too.

Peace and happy days doing that you are doing.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:02 am    Post subject: Re: NCBA Reply with quote

tmac-100 wrote:
colt wrote:
I left because I have enough self esteem and confidence to find something better than spending my life sucking on the petroleum teat.

I now have my own business and make more money in a week than I could make in a month teaching in the Gulf. Now I'm the local.

"Oh please sir, could I have another cup of gruel."

No more of that for me thanks.


So tell me, why are you still nattering about the terrible life sucking on the petroleum teat? Teaching and education is not a self-sustaining industry - unless large tuitions are charged.

That asked, why are you not building your business? Petentially recruiting among some of the malcontents on this thread?

By the way, what "business" are you involved in?

Curious minds are wondering Wink I am wondering too.

Peace and happy days doing that you are doing.


Not only that tmac-100, but in the post that I responded to, colt's in the present tense, but in the edited response to my post s/he suddenly shifts into the past tense and proclaims to be the "local" now.

I think that we'd better not comment on colt anymore as s/he's obviously much more intelligent than both of us put together and we can only wind up looking silly in the glow of the intellect and truth-telling capabilities of colt.

P.s.- colt should never forget about the ever important "T" in NCTBA. It's the "T" that holds the whole thing together and it is the "T" that gives me my super powers! All hail the "T"! Laughing

NCTBA
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