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pest2
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| Does anyone here ever read "the Onion"? The responses here look like the section of that paper where the 'readers give their opinion' about some issue... If you dont know the Onion then u have no idea what im talking about, though. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I have no sympathy for the teacher. He sounds disrespectful at best and is more probably disrespectful and dishonest. I teach in Taiwan and I (and every competent and caring teacher) bears the brunt of the bad reputation that teachers like this guy give us. It would be very nice if he and his ilk all found nice jobs in their home country in food service or some other position that matches their performance skills. |
Most bad teachers a school in Taiwan gets is their own fault. I have no sympathy for them. Did the OP actually check the teachers references? While I know that people don't want to make a bother to make overseas reference checks, what is more amazing is that schools don't even bother to call previous employers in Taiwan.
One could just simple check to see whether the teacher in question shows up to work on time or doesn't come to work drunk. |
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wood
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What a teacher does on her break, save for anything illegal, shouldn't be any of your business - smoke, make a phone call, take a dump, text a boyfriend, etc....
And why was the teacher using chinese in class? Maybe s/he was giving the Ss instructions. no harm in that.
s/he shouldn't be texting in class.
is this your own personal buixban or do you work for Hess or something?
parents are difficult. it's not unusual for parents to b*tch about their kids' teachers.
So, if the teacher shows up and tape records your disciplinary meeting where you fire them or chastize them so that they can take to the CLA or a lawyer - you have no problem with that, right? Or does attitude about tape recording people change when the shoe is on the other foot? |
I have no problem with anyone recording anything I say. The attitude doesn't change. |
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wood
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| I have no sympathy for the teacher. He sounds disrespectful at best and is more probably disrespectful and dishonest. I teach in Taiwan and I (and every competent and caring teacher) bears the brunt of the bad reputation that teachers like this guy give us. It would be very nice if he and his ilk all found nice jobs in their home country in food service or some other position that matches their performance skills. |
Most bad teachers a school in Taiwan gets is their own fault. I have no sympathy for them. Did the OP actually check the teachers references? While I know that people don't want to make a bother to make overseas reference checks, what is more amazing is that schools don't even bother to call previous employers in Taiwan.
One could just simple check to see whether the teacher in question shows up to work on time or doesn't come to work drunk. |
The guy had just graduated. I talked to him and felt he was a responsible and capable person. Even after all of this, I still feel the same. He is a smart, capable guy. He simply didn't understand that what he was doing was unacceptable. I should have watched him more closely.
The fact that I trusted him is the part that bothers me most. I hope he learns something from this. I have. |
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Taylor
Joined: 24 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject: # Segment on 60 minutes |
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Dear Readers,
Something tells me that the OP (Wood) is between 35 & 40 years of age. We know that the 'new' teacher is in his early 20's.
This is a generation gap. I had a similar issue with a young Canadian guy in Kaohsiung in 2006.
The following article/video should seem extremely relevant to the current discussion:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/08/60minutes/main3475200.shtml
Hope to hear from others on this topic!!!
Taylor |
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BJ
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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All I can say is god help the next generation, but it makes sense of the students I am seeing who think turning up to class means they will pass, and the moans when they are given work to do.
Just worry about what happens when they have kids. |
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Kootvela
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| s/he shouldn't be texting in class. |
If you don't have some written policy against texting in class then I don't know how you can fire someone for doing it.
But I will admit that I have texted in class once in a while. But that is when the students are doing some worksheet not when some material is being taught. |
I admit being guilty on this one too. If it's not disrupting anyting/anyone, of course. |
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wood
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| s/he shouldn't be texting in class. |
If you don't have some written policy against texting in class then I don't know how you can fire someone for doing it.
But I will admit that I have texted in class once in a while. But that is when the students are doing some worksheet not when some material is being taught. |
I admit being guilty on this one too. If it's not disrupting anyting/anyone, of course. |
I considered it to be common sense. However, I've now made it part of the training. It's pretty simple: do what you're paid to do and you'll be fine; text in class and you will be fired.
What should I add to this list?
Don't make phone calls?
I made too many assumptions. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:56 am Post subject: |
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| I considered it to be common sense. However, I've now made it part of the training. It's pretty simple: do what you're paid to do and you'll be fine; text in class and you will be fired. |
It is pretty simple. I can still send a text in class and do what I am paid to do. To start with I just sent a text yesterday in class but the students were taking a test. It didn't mean I was not doing my job. |
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wood
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| I considered it to be common sense. However, I've now made it part of the training. It's pretty simple: do what you're paid to do and you'll be fine; text in class and you will be fired. |
It is pretty simple. I can still send a text in class and do what I am paid to do. To start with I just sent a text yesterday in class but the students were taking a test. It didn't mean I was not doing my job. |
It did mean that you were not doing your job. You should have been supervising the test. If I were your boss, I would fire you. Your work ethic is crap. |
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wood
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:27 am Post subject: Re: # Segment on 60 minutes |
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| Taylor wrote: |
Dear Readers,
Something tells me that the OP (Wood) is between 35 & 40 years of age. We know that the 'new' teacher is in his early 20's.
This is a generation gap. I had a similar issue with a young Canadian guy in Kaohsiung in 2006.
The following article/video should seem extremely relevant to the current discussion:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/08/60minutes/main3475200.shtml
Hope to hear from others on this topic!!!
Taylor |
You're right. It is relevant. |
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Kootvela
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: |
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... wear a cap in class.
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hmmmm why is it bad to wear a cap in class? |
It's impolite for men to wear headwear inside the building, unless one is a Jew. Elementary ettiquette. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| It did mean that you were not doing your job. You should have been supervising the test. If I were your boss, I would fire you. Your work ethic is crap. |
Then you would have to fire most American teachers. They mark test and do other things while students take their test. |
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wood
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| It did mean that you were not doing your job. You should have been supervising the test. If I were your boss, I would fire you. Your work ethic is crap. |
Then you would have to fire most American teachers. They mark test and do other things while students take their test. |
I would fire them. They're being paid to do a job. Not to 'do other things'. |
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JZer
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| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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I would fire them. They're being paid to do a job. Not to 'do other things'. |
So if I worked for you and got all my work done and sent a text after you would fire me?
Would you really fire your best office staff or teacher just because they sent one text?
Not to mention if employee A got more work done than B, even though they sent text messages or played on the computer during work. You would still fire employee A? |
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