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TAXES!! Oh my!
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southofreality



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
Quibby, it isn't actually "citizenship tax", your boss hasn't translated completely accurately. The Japanese word is "juuminzei", which can also be translated as "resident's tax". In this case "resident" doesn't mean you have to have to have permanent resident status in Japan, it just means you need to be a resident of Japan for tax purposes, which anyone working here is.


Aspara, I think Quibby might be referring to Kokumin nenkin, the national pension plan.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure? This being their second year, they would certainly have received a city tax bill last month, and "citizenship tax" is a possible, though misleading, translation of "juuminzei". I'm putting my money on it being the city tax bill Quibby is talking about, but I could be wrong.
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southofreality



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said, I think that's what she means. But, not totally sure, either.
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BobbyBan



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
Are you sure? This being their second year, they would certainly have received a city tax bill last month, and "citizenship tax" is a possible, though misleading, translation of "juuminzei". I'm putting my money on it being the city tax bill Quibby is talking about, but I could be wrong.


Me too.
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Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quibby,
I am far from angry, but I am very frustrated with someone like you who has a difficult time expressing themselves in their native language, and who doesn't understand some things after having lived here for so long and who has gotten tons of advice on this forum.

Trust me about the doctor's visits. My wife had them. 2000 yen per visit on average, and you won't have to go more than once a month unless you have complications. Where did you get the 10,000 figure?

Dentist. Just did that, so the cost is fresh in my mind. Less than 1500 yen per visit, and even with once a week visits, that's still only 6000 yen/month.

I know you are the only one working right now. I remember that from many of your earlier posts. Have you gone to the ward office and politely explained to them? I ask because even though your insurance is based on last year's salary (and your location), people have been known to get such payments reduced under the right circumstances. Perhaps they will cut you a break if they know your husband is not working right now. I suggest you explain and ask.

Power vs. pill. Oh, trust me, I prefer pills and liquids, but there you go with culture clash statements again, saying this is "weird" and "messy". It's not messy unless one is a sloppy person.

Want overpowering payments all at once? Try shaken (mandatory car inspection), car tax, and city tax all at once. That's got me more than once. I noticed you didn't respond to me asking whether you had enough on hand for such situations (not emergencies, mind you). Sending money home for savings is a good idea, but a wise person will also realize that there will be situations when you need to have more than a minimum amount on hand here.
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Khyron



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Many foreign plans say they will pay for 100% of your bills, but you still have to pay all of them up front and wait a month or more to get reimbursed. That could be very costly.
Not to mention that some hospitals try to refuse people(telling them to go to city hall, sign up for NHI, then come back) who are not on NHI because they don't want to bother with foreign health plans. I have seen it happen.
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cornishmuppet



Joined: 27 Mar 2004
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Location: Nagano, Japan

PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the powder stuff is to reduce the amount of phlegm when you have a cold. I always got given wads of the little bags, but having found they didn't work for me I stopped taking them. I also would agree that the medicine here is weak. I've recently been to the doctors twice for a cold/cough that just wouldn't quit, been prescribed medicine twice and noticed no effect. Since I'm paying 17k a month in health insurance I figured I might as well use it though.

City tax is a bummer. If it comes in June and you plan to leave in July can you get away with not paying it? Or even if you come back to Japan in three or four years and start again so to speak, will they still chase you for it? Just saying because I'm thinking to leave next July and don't really want to drop 20 man as a goodbye present to Japan, but also don't want to rule out the possibility of one day coming back here to work again.
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Hoser



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for jumping in on this guys, but I have a slightly related question. I just got my city tax for this year and I was surprised to see that it's basically the same as last year. Now NOVA went bankrupt in October and we didn't even receive our salaries for September so I was hoping that the taxes would be significantly less. Will this drop not show up until the next year's bill comes around?

Another thing I was wondering about was taxes. I assume that everyone files something once a year. I also always assumed that Nova did that (lots of assumptions here). But since Nova went down, have I missed the tax filing period? Is this possibly why they haven't changed my taxes owed amount? Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Apsara



Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cornishmuppet, I left Japan in 2001 planning not to ever come back to live. I think I had one more payment on my city tax due but with getting ready to move back to NZ I didn't really think about it.

I ended up coming back 8 months later and shortly after I registered at my new city office I got a bill for the unpaid tax, plus a late fine, from my old city office.

I did come back in on the same visa and ARC, so I don't know if the same thing would happen if you had been away a number of years, but in my case they did come after me for not paying.
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Hoser



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're planning on coming back it's not worth it. I finally got around to paying my taxes way late ( I decided that I was gonna be around here for a while Wink) and I had to pay about a 9000 late fee. Not a lot but still it's 9000 yen out of my pocket that wouldnt have happened if I had just payed it.
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Quibby84



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We got the all the taxes at once except the Shaken, Thank God that expires in February. We car tax came in May I think...
About the dentist, I am not talking about the part that you pay, I am talking about the whole amount charged. So, prenatal isnt paid for, I was assuming that it would be the same because dentist was the same. Does that make sense? Even though we didnt have to pay for the entire dental, it was still originally the same price....since prenatal isnt paid for I figured that we would have to pay the whole price, which I figured would be close to the same as America because dental was the same...shew...maybe that doesnt make sense.

Of course we have money saved...but who wants to spend it all at once on taxes??
I will get my husband to go to the City Office and plead our case. We have enough money to pay (from what we make), well I think we do, except for the months were we have two in one month.
So if we leave before we are finished paying we have to go and pay it all if we may ever come back?

By the way, I dont think I have any pension plan...I think it was Aspara said, a resident tax...
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Quibby84



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski, how much do ultrasounds cost? How much do the cool 3d ones cost to?
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



Joined: 22 Oct 2004
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Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...

PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quibby84 wrote:
Geez Glenski...no need to be angry
I heard that the doctors visits (when you are preg.) were about 10,000 each. Well maybe not the times that you just say hi, but the blood test and all the other junk they do will add up. Maybe more if you get an ultrasound. We have been to the dentist and the price was basically the same, so I expect gyno stuff to be the same as well.
around 10,000 a month plus the 25,000 for health insurance, plus the 25,000 for citizenship tax. PLUS I am the only one working full-time now...it really takes a huge chunk out. My husband is going to Japanese school. I just wish it didnt just all come at once. I also wish that you paid as you went because then it would be based on your salary at that time...not the year before...

Quibby84: DO NOT upset "Glenski" as s/he is all-knowing and if mere mortals/those who do not measure up to his/her moral-intellect invite his/her wrath...BEWARE! My TCW, cower as s/he requires and SHADDAP!

By the way, I REALLY dont understand the citizenship tax thing..I am not a citizen..it doesnt really make sense...does no one else get that? My boss (a japanese man) said that it was Citizenship tax, when I told him that I wasnt a citizen he acted like that didnt matter. Maybe it was a mistake...maybe that is why I wasnt told about it coming...

I imagine that your boss either doesn't know the correct English translation OR the correct translation doesn't exist in English. Do you suppose that he may have misrepresented "Residency" tax? Gambatte!

By the way, you have to admit that the powder thing is pretty weird, especially when you could just take a pill...


Why take a pill when you can visually show preseverence by choking down a powder???


NCTBA

P.s.- Glenski, before you electronically smite me, ponder this: "I know I am, but what are you?"
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markle



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote:
Why take a pill when you can visually show preseverence by choking down a powder???
You mix it with water.... why do some people need the simplest things explained to them?
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Quibby84



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you mix it in water doesnt it taste REALLY bad?
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