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jason_seeburn
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brian
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| Pop Fly wrote: |
| ...once people start to get personal is when the conversation goes out the window...I, for one, stop listening, as the insultive person's opinion is no longer worth considering. |
A quote from your old mate Pop Fly. I will respond anyway.
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| Why would he send someone to Taiwan if there wasn't really a school? Brian's world is a strange place, and I don't know where he gets all his paranoia from, except that he's working in Taipei (a place I would never work) so that might be it. The rest of Taiwan is more honest. |
No one said that there wasn't a school. The point made was that if you happen to be dealing with a dodgy recruiter then asking to speak with someone from the school could easily be faked. This would give a false sense of security.
Whether a recruiter is really good or not, they need to protect their business and are unlikely to disclose contact info for schools. No harm in asking of course, but nothing beats being here and visiting the school yourself. |
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jason_seeburn
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brian
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2003 7:34 am Post subject: |
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| jason_seeburn wrote: |
| Very true. But being there is expensive and difficult. A telephone call is cheap and easy. If you ask a few pointed questions you can spot a fake easily. Also remember that you will be talking to the other foreign teachers at the school (half of whom will probably be Australians). It's hard for a Chinese person to do that accent (even I can't). |
Once again I don't agree. If you are accepting a job here in Taiwan you are going to come here at some stage and spend the money on a ticket. No one is suggesting that you should come here only to find a job and then go back home again. You are making a move here. The advice is straightforward and for one that always makes a big thing about what the majority and minority believe - even Jason would have to accept that there is a majority concensus on this issue.
1. Feel free to use a recruiter if you want to, but don't be misled into believing that you either need one nor that they can find you any great deals that you couldn't find yourself. The school is paying the recruiter for their services and they are going to have recover this money some way or another. By dealing direct and cutting out the middle man, this expense to the school is removed and you have a better chance of negotiating a better deal for yourself.
2. As everyone who lives and teaches here knows, it isn't a case of having to walk for kilometres and check out every back alley or anything of the like - there are English newspapers, expats in bars, schools with prominent signage and website - all full of information for finding jobs. No Chinese language is necessary either, this can all be done in English.
3. Recruiters can be useful, but one would be very unwise to committ to a job without getting here and checking it out first. I am sure that most would never consider accepting a job back home with a company that they have never heard of nor visited - why should it be any different when moving overseas.
Considering all of this, there doesn't seem to be any reason to need a recruiter, however in an effort to put this discussion to rest, if the individual really feels more confident by going through a recruiter then that is a personal decision. Don't be overly surprised however if you find that you could have done better with a little effort of your own. |
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Frankie Knuckles
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Jason, I was just wondering why you said that 'half of the teachers would probably be Australians'. I thought that Australians were in the minority compared to Canadians and Americans teaching in Taiwan. |
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matchstick_man
Joined: 21 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 6:53 am Post subject: Australians |
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| I lived in the Taichung area for three 2000-mid this year and can count the number of Aussies (is Jason confusing aussies with kiwis and south africans?) I met on one hand and probably the number of Americans too...........South Africans and Canadians would require more hands and feet than I have. I met very few Americans while living in Taiwan however I didn't spend much time in Taipei or Kaoshiung. |
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